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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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believe July 8 1947 these are the

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airport with has announced and applying

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this has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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you listening today too

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with jimmy touch on the game change in

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that one

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but spoke radio

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February 18 2019 49 days into the new

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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I am your host Jimmy Church what is

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very special guest kicking off the week

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tonight yes I see that Richard thank you

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Richard just texted me wow that's that's

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that's very nice thank you Richard

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Richard Dolan is here kicking off the

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week we are going to do a full night of

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ET and UFO conversation all the breaking

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lots to discuss so Richard will be with

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us at the bottom of the hour tomorrow

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night David Icke is here man he has been

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working his way over to Australia via

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London left to Mexico today arrived in

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Los Angeles that's right I was speaking

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in Mexico doing some stuff down there

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and now he's here in LA and then he's on

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his way to Melbourne heading over to

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Australia it's got a bunch of stuff then

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he's coming back to Los Angeles because

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he's premiering his new movie yeah in

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case you didn't know there's a movie out

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now all right so that's what's going on

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with David Icke that'll be tomorrow and

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then Wednesday night you guys asked for

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it you got it

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it's the Q army with in the matrix and

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shady groove looking forward to this and

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that will be Wednesday night and then

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Thursday is palpable bum our 1,000th

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night with open lines all night long

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unbelievable we made it we made it 1,000

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that stuff on Thursday but I remember I

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this is what's trippy so today as you

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the post out and and speaking about it

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remember we do currently and for the

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last few years 16 shows a month that's

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thousand how do you get to a thousand at

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race it's jazz The Tortoise and the hare

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you know what to do go follow all of our

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social media head over to Jimmy Church

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radio.com you can follow us on twitter

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@jj church radio at J church radio and

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come and join the conversation hashed

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pronounced Melbourne is that right

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what lesson learned and I really

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appreciate that Melbourne ok Melbourne

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Melbourne I want to thank everybody and

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more are coming in I want to thank

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everybody for the fade to black t-shirt

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pics keep them coming you can send them

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directly to my email if you want if you

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don't want them up there on Twitter or

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Facebook whatever and send it to Jimmy

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Jimmy Turks radio calm getting that new

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sandbox hashtag f2 be cute I say that

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thank you thank you for that very very

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very cool email is Jimmy at and Jimmy

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breaking news you know I love my music

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because the way that it works I won't be

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able to play if I play it now live on

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the air but there it is right there see

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surfer right there on my phone you just

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copyright dispute because I've played

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somebody's music on this show so I can't

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do that but it's really that simple

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last week a week and half ago the

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opportunity Rover died it's over and now

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that it's gone what what is still

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possible to study the red planet and the

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curiosity opportunities gone but the

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curiosity is is running and it can

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support the study of small life-forms

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microbes analyzing samples scooped up

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from the Martian dirt they can also

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drill into rocks

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that can actually determine chemical

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building blocks and

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with the secrecy of the life on Mars and

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Orbiter right now and it continues to

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function the orbiter was also launched

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back in 2005 and as it orbits Mars

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water down on the surface so all hope is

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not lost I know it seems kind of weird

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that but but when are we going to Mars

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which is absolutely incredible

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the seasons and and you put it together

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soap opera they've made it so realistic

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that it just makes you wonder if that's

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exactly how it's not going to play out

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aspect of it is is a big player in the

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series all right let's let's move on

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here now this week this week this

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weekend is the conscious life Expo right

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here in Los Angeles at the LAX Hilton

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it's February 22nd through the 25th this

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year we are celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of Chariots of the Gods with

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Erich von däniken and I'll be hosting

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the panel with Eric that'll be Friday

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night and on that panel is Linda Moulton

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Howe James Martell Billy Carson and

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rabbi ariel bar suck that is Friday

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night Saturday all kinds of fun stuff

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going on all day long

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George's got his his meet and greet

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party that he's doing in his award

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ceremony he's got his panel with

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questions and that's the whole thing

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so come and hang out with this okay

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we've got a great booth on the mezzanine

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level where we were last year okay and

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we will be representing some of our

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sponsors here of course like River moon

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coffee okay so come and hang out with us

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it's going to be a great great weekend

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and you know Thursday night we're

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celebrating our

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show right and then we just go straight

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into the weekend come in hang out with

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straight to conscious life Expo our next

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and after this week I'll be saying we

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have over 1,000 shows where did I get

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the Sasquatch t-shirt you guys notice

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that it says at the bottom

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hide and seek world champion it's a that

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was sent in from a fader not and his

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sons sent that to me asked me for my

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shirt size and think they had it made

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and you know I don't know I don't know

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they I don't know I don't know but it

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was sent in to me from a fate or not

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who's probably listening now I got this

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last year so but that's where I got it I

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wish I could tell you that there are

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more I cannot yeah but I'll be seeing

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1,000 with our podcast also you can

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become a fader not in our membership

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section on Jimmy Church radio.com I've

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just got news something for some reason

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one of our links are broken to new manna

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and thank you a couple of listeners

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emailed us and let us know we've just

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contacted them and we'll get that fixed

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we don't know what's going on

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happy birthday to today man I can't stop

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drinking this River Moon coffee

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I just I cannot stop drinking it there's

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a flavor there's a thing it's um it's so

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good I drink it every day it's just

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amazing let's get this show crackin

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happy birthday to today John Travolta is

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65 Matt Dillon and today is 55 Molly

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Ringwald

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today is 51 dr. Dre today is 54 and last

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but not least Yoko Ono Yoko Ono today is

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86 86 is Yoko a billionaire how did they

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divide that you know and you know with

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the money and yeah whenever Yoko's a

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billionaire our dead guys birthday today

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is enzo ferrari 1898 to 1988 died at the

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age of 90 and pretty much I'm gonna say

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this that the only only the designer

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builder and visionary that created the

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best car in the planet you know that's

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who he is

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period the 1958 are any ferrari by the

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way but and you can pretty much say that

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the 1958 testa Rossa 250 TR may be the

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most perfect thing ever in the history

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of everything the most perfect pleasing

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thing ever designed happens to be a car

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happens to be a pretty pretty cool 12

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cylinder car too as well happy birthday

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Enzo Ferrari on the stay in history OTD

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1930 Pluto the on-again-off-again planet

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is discovered at the Lowell Observatory

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in Flagstaff Arizona by astronomer Clyde

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W Tombaugh on this day in 1930 Fader

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fact in 1994 17 year-old David Hahn

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built a nuclear reactor in his

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others backyard and he irradiated his

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house and the entire neighborhood took

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everybody down with him he wrote letters

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posing as a high school physics teacher

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calling himself professor Hahn and

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tricked various nuclear agency officials

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to provide him with vital information

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related to nuclear reactors and that is

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your fate or fact tonight very special

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guest Richard Dolan is here full night

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of ETM UFO conversation dead ahead

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tomorrow it is David Icke Wednesday

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night the Q Army we're gonna have in the

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matrix and shady groove here with us

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Thursday is our 1,000th show and it's

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not a fainter night no less and so we're

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gonna have open lines all night on a few

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special guests are gonna stop by and

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hang out and it's just a celebration for

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all of you all right a very very special

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things okay and that will be Thursday

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night so that's our week and then

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Thursday night I guess we head down to

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the LAX Hilton and we will be there all

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weekend all right now why why do I drink

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River moon coffee take a sip so loudly

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at this point of the show when I start

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my rant because my brain is my brain

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knows the happiness that the rant is

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going to give me giving to you and it

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starts with that and just all of those

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wonderful chemicals kick off of my head

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and the only way to make myself fully

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happy fully engaged and I know what's

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about to happen here I know what's about

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to happen here you you know what's about

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to happen right so there you go so why

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do some of us just well why do some of

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us just believe just about anything you

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ever ask yourself that

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today I watched a documentary on flat

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earthers featuring mark Sargent Marcos

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on this show a couple of years ago I'm

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pretty pretty popular show a couple

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years ago and marks a good guy I think

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it comes across pretty cool in this

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documentary and although it's promoting

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the flat earth movement that's its

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intention it points out a few glaring

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things and when you watch the

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documentary it gets really really

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interesting and one of the things that

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they point out which is the flaw of the

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flat earthers is that if you believe in

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one conspiracy you must believe them all

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and Mark said at the beginning of this

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he said what you know I I didn't you

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know and his mom is there that you know

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he didn't believe in every conspiracy

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and he didn't want to jump you know but

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he was studying some of them this and

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then this and he gets to Flat Earth that

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we didn't want to go there but you know

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what he's a truther and and he's a

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believed you know so he went right there

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and ended up you know and that's one of

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the things that bothers me about this

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community because I have actually gotten

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email that says exactly that Church

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you're either all in or you're not

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either you are with this or you are not

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and that goes down the line because I've

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made my comments and stood my ground on

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uncertain certain things like 9/11 or

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Sandy Hook or mass shootings or or or or

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you know there's plenty of things out

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there that I just back up and go no you

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know no no no there are enough

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conspiracies out there that that we need

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to be concerned about right and one of

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those things because I didn't jump on

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the Flat Earth bandwagon

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look the

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but little bandwagon that they had it's

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actually very very simple for those out

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there and with this show most most

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thought that flat earth right earth was

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history flat earth space right the big

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lie

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going back centuries and and all of this

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at that that's the perfect thing for me

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to go all in on and there was I if there

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was one thing I mean just one thing just

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one one thing that the flat earthers

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could could prove I mean out-and-out

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prove then you know could but but there

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isn't there isn't even one thing it's

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not about oh you can see a city off in

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the distance look you know it's there

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it's supposed to be I'm gonna stop just

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stop it's not scientific it's nothing

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okay

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that's nothing but anyway not to not to

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dwell on this but then there is the the

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truth or movement and how they in in

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this documentary start to talk about the

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truth or movement and there was a couple

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of moments where you know I think they

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had a psychiatrist on from UCLA or

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something where they said look you know

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the true 3rd movement and this is where

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I get angry and it's the flat earthers

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fault and and in some cases the truth or

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movements a fault is that you take

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somebody that's already on the fringe of

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society right and then you just force

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them to go all in on something like

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flatter if there's something else and

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the next thing you know they're out

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they're out they lose their friends and

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their family and everything else for the

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belief in what you know and what where

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what is it that you gain in in

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convincing somebody about Flat Earth

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when everybody knows in the flatter of

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community that the earth ism

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flat everybody knows everybody in every

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flat earther knows that the earth is not

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flat the reason why the flat earthers

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and the dedicated ones and that includes

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mark Sargent anybody else out there that

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talked about it is all they are trying

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to do is debate that's it and you know

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how it is when you debate okay you've

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got this side you've got this side you

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flip a coin okay boom okay you got this

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subject you got this subject and you see

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who wins and that's all that's going on

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here with the Flat Earth because we all

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know that it's round right he but mark

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also says in the film that the flat

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earthers have blown past scientists

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they've proven everybody in government

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and well anything that ever was

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literally I think this is how he says it

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and that the movement is huge and then

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they go round and they show the meetups

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and they have this room for this Meetup

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it's like 10 people sitting there with

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with 50 empty chairs and then they have

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their Flat Earth conference again I'm

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not complaining here what I'm saying is

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if you are going to certain things

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because the conference was was small it

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was tiny if you're gonna talk about the

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big Flat Earth conference we're all

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gonna go and that's the end of the film

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that's the climate if that's what you're

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gonna do and you're gonna put that in

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this documentary you need to make sure

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that there are thousands and thousands

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of people there this groundswell of a

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movement that dozens of people and

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there's a big difference there you know

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and showing the empty meetups and then

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it kind of takes the air out of

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everything else that is stated in this

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video you know and I just I don't

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understand how how somebody gets bought

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into the belief of Flat Earth and this

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is okay all right all right I'm trying

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to be kind here I don't think that the

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flat-earthers themselves believe that

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the earth is flat but when you turn

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around and you pick on somebody that is

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on the fringe and

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they are sitting in this documentary

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talking about I I've lost my family I

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lost my wife I lost my job my kids won't

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speak to me I don't have any friends

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anymore over Flat Earth you know and

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there needs to be a little bit of

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responsibility there I would think all

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right that's a dangerous zone it's

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another thing to discuss the UFO topic

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when we see strange things going on in

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the sky all right that's that's that's

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that's different and that's a tangible

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difference you know where science is

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trying to make contact and we have fast

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radio bursts I was just talking about

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curiosity and trying to figure out

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what's going on on Mars that's that's

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what we are doing now we are searching

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for this and going for these answers

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with photo width of flat earthers people

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men women have died and sacrificed their

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lives for heresy and other things gone

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to prison burned at the stake heads

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chopped off to prove these things and

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and did so successfully that the earth

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is round it's really a strange thing all

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right all right

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why do I do why do people do it so go

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and check out the documentary I think

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it's called it could be wrong under the

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curve I think that might be it under the

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curve just look up this Google search

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that and you'll find it tonight

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it's Richard bleep and Dolan he is here

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and I am happy okay I'm gonna be right

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back after this short break with Richard

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Dolan and tomorrow it is David Icke

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Wednesday it is the Q Army within the

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matrix and Shady Grove and then of

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course Thursday is our 1,000th show and

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I'll be right back after this short

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break with our guest Richard Dolan stay

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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am your host Jimmy Church tonight

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Richard Dolan is here

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that's right tomorrow is David Icke yeah

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David Icke tomorrow and then Wednesday

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night it is the Q Army within the matrix

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and Shady groove that's right we're

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gonna get our cue on Wednesday night

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Thursday is our 1,000th show big

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celebration going down Thursday nights

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and of course it's Faye tonight we'll

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have his few special guests rolling on

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through I don't have to worry about this

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next gentleman uh Richard Dolan because

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he's on with us tonight but that'll be a

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that'll be Thursday night then of course

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this weekend we are down at the

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conscious life Expo Richard Dolan is one

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of the world's leading researchers and

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writers on the subject of UFOs and

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believes that they constitute the

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greatest mystery of our time

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Richard completed his graduate work at

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the University of Rochester where he

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studied the u.s. cold war strategy

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European history and international

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diplomacy but before that he has studied

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at Alfred University an Oxford

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University and had been a finalist for

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Rhodes Scholarship he is the author of

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UFOs in the national security state he

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co-authored that with PI's is Abel AD

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after disclosure and his latest book is

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UFOs in the 21st century mine of course

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he is a radio show host as well with the

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Richard Dolan show right here on kgr a

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frequent guest with me over on coast to

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coast am he was just Howard George a

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couple of nights ago and he's currently

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featured on several television series

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and documentaries including ancient

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aliens in addition to his research

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Richards company Richard Dolan press

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actively publishes innovative books by

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authors from around the world tonight we

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are going to discuss everything ET and

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UFO that is currently breaking news for

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our community I would like to welcome

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back to fader block Richard bleep and

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Dolan Richard good evening how are you

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00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:22,450
hi Jimmy good to be on here tonight yes

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00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:24,710
it is good to be on here tonight

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okay Richard for this for this

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conversation to proceed you must answer

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three questions hmm okay I thought it

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00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:37,070
was gonna be one question no not really

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I'm giving you 30 inform exactly that I

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:41,960
gotta catch you off guard okay first

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00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:48,170
question what is your name my my full

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name my my name is Richard your name is

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correct okay next question

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I knew I could get that one what is your

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favorite what is your favorite color

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Jamie I'm 56 years old we don't have

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favorite colors if it's aged this is not

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a thing

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third question yes we had agreed on a

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subject for tonight's show

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and today you changed your mind why we

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00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:24,890
were going to talk about some the the a

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00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:28,339
controversial subject in our field UFO

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00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:30,530
always had as controversial subject

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00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:33,950
there's always drama and in this case

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00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:36,530
there's as many people know a bit of

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00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:40,670
very sorted drama that has enveloped

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00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:43,640
this field indirectly affected myself I

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suppose but I don't really consider

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00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:48,080
myself at the center of this and you

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00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:50,060
know I chatted with you over the last

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week or so about some of these

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00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:54,020
developments I know you've talked about

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00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,330
it indirectly you've been pretty pretty

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00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,640
vague about it if I may say and I

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00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:01,040
wondered how much we wanted to get into

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00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,390
this and I really thought it would be a

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00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:05,359
thing to do and I feel really interested

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in finding out what the latest scandal

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00:38:12,070 --> 00:38:10,160
is developing go to there's a number of

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sites out there places I've said project

710
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:15,440
Avalon website is probably the best for

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00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:18,710
up to date analysis on some of the

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00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:20,089
things that are going on in this field

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and if you know what I'm talking about

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then you know what I am talking about

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and if you don't know what I'm talking

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about we'll go to have a lot and you'll

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find out right now yeah all of you know

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00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,089
you know what I appreciate Avalon about

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there it's my biggest support group

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you know those guys over there and gals

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they just they just love this show and

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so everybody they've been around for a

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00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:46,280
long time and I will just say they have

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for years and years had many of the most

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intelligent insightful goodwill analysts

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that are out there and people who I

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think genuinely care about the integrity

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00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:00,440
of UFOs and everything related to the

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research in that field so and they're on

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00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:06,080
top of a lot of this and I I support

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what they do so for right now rather

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than honestly because one of the things

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that I have tried I haven't always

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00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:15,109
succeeded but I have tried to do in my

735
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,690
years involved in the public realm is to

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avoid whether they or you know the

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old-fashioned flame wars from the early

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internet or any of the other kinds of

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00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:26,390
fights that are going on because the

740
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:28,970
thing is they're very seductive at first

741
00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:30,440
when you want to get involved in

742
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:32,060
swinging out with somebody but it's a

743
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:32,960
it's a waste of time

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00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:35,990
and it's almost always demeaning to

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00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:38,570
anyone who gets involved in it so until

746
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it becomes a necessary thing for me to

747
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,930
speak about this I think I've really

748
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,880
thought about this a lot and I've

749
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:48,800
decided at least for now I don't want to

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00:39:52,089 --> 00:39:50,270
make a major statement about it rather

751
00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:52,099
just let things play out and see where

752
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:54,980
it happens more than there are more than

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00:40:01,359 --> 00:39:57,490
enough people right now digging

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00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:01,369
researching exposing and there is no

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00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:03,770
question from the little that I know

756
00:40:10,839 --> 00:40:07,820
that there is much more that will be

757
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:10,849
revealed and my attitude is let it all

758
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:13,880
come out that's all okay all right well

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00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:18,800
said Richard you know I remember this

760
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:21,950
goes back many years with you and I but

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00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:24,140
when I started to introduce you at

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00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:27,700
different conferences and I would always

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00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:32,510
say that one of the things well I said

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it once and then I ended up saying it

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00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:37,310
every time I've introduced you that you

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00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:41,030
represent this community in such a an

767
00:40:48,839 --> 00:40:45,200
honest pragmatic way that we should all

768
00:40:50,339 --> 00:40:48,849
be proud this crazy community of ours

769
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:50,349
that we've got somebody like you

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00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:53,380
standing out in front of all of us and

771
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:55,420
and what you just said right there is

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00:41:01,410 --> 00:40:59,170
about as as well-spoken as it can be so

773
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:01,420
I thank you for that and let's move on

774
00:41:05,999 --> 00:41:04,180
all right yeah let's move on if we need

775
00:41:08,279 --> 00:41:06,009
to we'll come back to it yeah yeah there

776
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:08,289
you go there you go now there's so much

777
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,569
to discuss tonight and now we had

778
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:11,920
nothing else to talk about yeah you know

779
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,420
what moving on thank you thank you for

780
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:18,160
being here tonight Richard and give my

781
00:41:32,059 --> 00:41:27,249
best to Tracy that's hey Tracy

782
00:41:35,489 --> 00:41:32,069
the the the truth or movement right the

783
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:35,499
conspiracy movement out there in my

784
00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:38,440
little opening rant tonight one of the

785
00:41:44,999 --> 00:41:41,619
thick mists oh unison okay well you know

786
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,009
in a nutshell it's this it seems that if

787
00:41:47,999 --> 00:41:46,720
you are going to be part of the truth or

788
00:41:50,249 --> 00:41:48,009
movement or you're gonna be part of the

789
00:41:53,279 --> 00:41:50,259
conspiracy movement and you are either

790
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:53,289
all-in or not that you are not entitled

791
00:41:58,469 --> 00:41:56,410
to not believe in every single

792
00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:58,479
conspiracy that comes down the pike and

793
00:42:05,339 --> 00:42:02,950
if you if you dare you know not you know

794
00:42:07,019 --> 00:42:05,349
just jump on every single thing that

795
00:42:08,549 --> 00:42:07,029
comes down the road and every single

796
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:08,559
break-in is and everything is a false

797
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:09,940
flag and everything is this and

798
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:12,880
everything if you don't you're like

799
00:42:16,739 --> 00:42:14,529
banished right and and you get

800
00:42:20,609 --> 00:42:16,749
criticized for it and I don't get it and

801
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,619
one of the one of the problems that I

802
00:42:25,739 --> 00:42:22,960
have with that is that we're already

803
00:42:27,509 --> 00:42:25,749
dealing with some pretty fantastical

804
00:42:28,859 --> 00:42:27,519
subjects that we're trying to get the

805
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,869
rest of the world to open up their eyes

806
00:42:34,289 --> 00:42:31,420
to and then you bring in some of this

807
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:34,299
other stuff and I think it's proper to

808
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:37,210
put your foot down and go no well I

809
00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:39,609
agree with this what what we don't need

810
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:42,119
what we absolutely never need are

811
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:45,880
zealots in this field all right so what

812
00:42:50,759 --> 00:42:48,130
we it's actually the worst thing for us

813
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:50,769
because as you just were saying the

814
00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:53,170
things that we are studying are on the

815
00:42:58,049 --> 00:42:54,940
fringe both both politically and

816
00:42:59,999 --> 00:42:58,059
scientifically and psychologically for

817
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:00,009
that matter these are not these are not

818
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:01,630
ordinary things that we're looking into

819
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:02,770
the UFO subject and

820
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:04,510
everything connected with it the

821
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:06,700
presence of other intelligences

822
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:10,180
intelligent beings that are not from our

823
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,120
civilization that's as out there as it

824
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:15,850
gets and so what it requires is not the

825
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,700
mindset of a zealot not the mindset of

826
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:21,280
someone who is you know ready to banish

827
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:23,620
or shun or a gang stalk or intimidate

828
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,780
those they disagree with that's the last

829
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:28,720
thing we need what we require is

830
00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:34,930
actually calm ability to look at all

831
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:37,900
different possibilities and and withhold

832
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:40,780
judgments for as long as we can because

833
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:43,000
this is a complicated subject it's not

834
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,890
simple so i I've always I fear zealots

835
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:50,560
and I think that the imposition and the

836
00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:54,750
any any people come into this field and

837
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,790
act as though they've got every single

838
00:44:01,320 --> 00:43:59,470
thing figured out like those are the

839
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:01,330
most dangerous people because they don't

840
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:02,830
have it all figured out none of us do

841
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:05,530
yeah yeah and I'm going I'm not

842
00:44:10,850 --> 00:44:07,840
necessarily going in that direction but

843
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:10,860
although I agree with you of course but

844
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:16,140
I'm referring to more direct things like

845
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:21,510
that if you know Sandy Hook or 9/11 or

846
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:24,910
or the Apollo moon missions or the hoax

847
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,080
or - to black budget programs to the

848
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:31,480
Kennedy assassination and you can just

849
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:35,080
you know a long list of things that to

850
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:36,790
be a member of this community you have

851
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,550
to put a check mark by all of them and I

852
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:42,240
don't why is it that some people

853
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:45,910
literally believe in every single

854
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:49,000
conspiracy that comes along like Flat

855
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:51,100
Earth out throw Flat Earth in there for

856
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:53,800
if there's another perfect example yeah

857
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:55,840
in in my office in our room here we've

858
00:45:01,680 --> 00:44:59,650
got a American derp candidate Mercator

859
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:01,690
projection of the earth it was called

860
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:03,610
American Mercator Mercator projection

861
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:07,630
and it's artistically done and when I do

862
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:09,670
a livestream people can see it behind me

863
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:12,310
and Tracy and I will tell you there's

864
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:14,350
always people to say ah Dolan must

865
00:45:18,779 --> 00:45:15,940
believe in the flat earth there's a flat

866
00:45:24,419 --> 00:45:20,849
they're out there I guess what I would

867
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:24,429
say to answer your question is the it's

868
00:45:29,489 --> 00:45:26,529
very easy like once you realize that

869
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:29,499
some one very very big thing that you

870
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:32,049
grew up believing in is is untrue or a

871
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,049
lie like UFOs don't don't exist and then

872
00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:36,640
you realize oh wow they actually do

873
00:45:44,759 --> 00:45:41,319
exist or you get into the truth of other

874
00:45:47,609 --> 00:45:44,769
types of conspiratorial events which

875
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:47,619
there are conspiracies that's actually

876
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:49,890
the nature of organizational behavior or

877
00:45:53,909 --> 00:45:52,209
organizations are hierarchical they're

878
00:45:56,699 --> 00:45:53,919
competitive they compete with other

879
00:45:58,259 --> 00:45:56,709
organizations in order to get over on

880
00:46:00,329 --> 00:45:58,269
those other organizations they will act

881
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:00,339
in ways that are secretive that is by

882
00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:03,249
its very nature secrecy and conspiracy

883
00:46:08,219 --> 00:46:06,099
are an inherent element of

884
00:46:09,449 --> 00:46:08,229
organizational behavior but and so when

885
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:09,459
you start realizing that there are

886
00:46:14,819 --> 00:46:11,650
different conspiracies you some people

887
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:14,829
will become disillusioned and sometimes

888
00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:16,209
the problem is when you realize one

889
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:17,739
thing is wrong and another thing is

890
00:46:21,479 --> 00:46:18,609
wrong that you grew up with

891
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:21,489
you tend some people might throw

892
00:46:27,289 --> 00:46:23,380
everything out and say it's all a lie

893
00:46:30,269 --> 00:46:27,299
but the thing is for every single bit of

894
00:46:33,299 --> 00:46:30,279
the you know element where we challenge

895
00:46:35,429 --> 00:46:33,309
official narratives I would just argue

896
00:46:38,399 --> 00:46:35,439
we need to be evidence-based at all

897
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:38,409
times always evidence-based so I'm

898
00:46:42,299 --> 00:46:40,150
always wanting to ask like why does

899
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:42,309
someone believe what they believe it's

900
00:46:47,189 --> 00:46:43,689
it's fine to believe something different

901
00:46:48,509 --> 00:46:47,199
we all have different opinions on things

902
00:46:51,329 --> 00:46:48,519
but the question is what are those

903
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:51,339
opinions based on and it's incumbent

904
00:46:57,809 --> 00:46:55,630
upon someone who's challenging what the

905
00:46:59,969 --> 00:46:57,819
rest of the world believes to tell them

906
00:47:02,339 --> 00:46:59,979
why they believe otherwise and you and

907
00:47:04,469 --> 00:47:02,349
you can't just say trust me this is my

908
00:47:07,529 --> 00:47:04,479
secret inside information no that's a

909
00:47:10,349 --> 00:47:07,539
fail you've got to be able to present a

910
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:10,359
case to other people who are skeptical

911
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:12,549
of what you have to say and if you can't

912
00:47:17,759 --> 00:47:15,249
do it then get out of the way no you

913
00:47:20,579 --> 00:47:17,769
don't waste anyone's time like provide

914
00:47:23,249 --> 00:47:20,589
evidence well usually simple you studied

915
00:47:27,659 --> 00:47:23,259
cold war strategy world history European

916
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:27,669
history politics this is this is part of

917
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:29,260
what makes you you

918
00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:33,940
Richard Dolan I equate things to like

919
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:36,580
the TV series house of cards right with

920
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:39,960
with Kevin Spacey yeah and as twisted as

921
00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:43,960
that was and and it got dark and it got

922
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,270
twisted I would venture to say it wasn't

923
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:53,680
rested enough Rafi exactly and and and

924
00:48:02,570 --> 00:47:58,960
so if if it was ever revealed about that

925
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,580
can the day-to-day conspiratorial

926
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:05,440
operations of Washington DC and the

927
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:08,740
Pentagon in the CIA and the NSA what

928
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:10,990
would society do would they physically

929
00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:14,230
get ill and throw up and puke or would

930
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:18,040
they go ah well whatever you know that's

931
00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:19,810
that's the danger that was an answer to

932
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,670
that I think some people would be very

933
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,920
upset once things are out in the open

934
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,880
it's almost like the Emperor's New

935
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:27,280
Clothes analogy like I think a lot of

936
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:30,610
people know that there's something very

937
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:32,890
very very bad if everything that's going

938
00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:35,650
on in Washington they kind of know but

939
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:39,550
it's not necessarily openly confirmed in

940
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:41,890
all of the depths of what is happening

941
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:45,490
so if if all of that were to come out in

942
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:46,840
other words you know we're not Luke

943
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:49,030
Skywalker we are Darth Vader essentially

944
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:51,490
what if that were to fully come out the

945
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,130
way that I believe it is yes that would

946
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:56,220
be a big problem for some people others

947
00:48:59,790 --> 00:48:58,450
you know there's a lot of jaded people

948
00:49:01,620 --> 00:48:59,800
out there already so I don't I don't

949
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:01,630
know how it would break down but

950
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:03,400
definitely there would be some shot to

951
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:05,170
some people yeah I totally agree with

952
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:07,780
that and there we have been so

953
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:12,190
desensitized with different movies about

954
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:14,830
the CIA or Jason Bourne or different

955
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:16,930
political thing you know and presidents

956
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:19,450
fallen and replace or assassin you know

957
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:21,910
we it has gone on and gone on for so

958
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:24,760
long that just maybe we know that that

959
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,590
kind of stuff is going on in and though

960
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:28,480
it wouldn't be so much of a shock to the

961
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,630
system but it's certainly the conspiracy

962
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:33,880
based and it's what some of us out here

963
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:34,900
have been on about

964
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,030
you've been talking about false flags

965
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:40,000
for very very very long time and false

966
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:41,650
Flags are

967
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:44,920
it's a method of operation it's nothing

968
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:46,750
different than that it's just what they

969
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:48,970
do I wouldn't doubt if there's a false

970
00:49:55,529 --> 00:49:53,170
Flags 101 preparatory course in the

971
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:55,539
defense in the defense school well

972
00:50:00,359 --> 00:49:58,089
actually I was just learning about this

973
00:50:02,490 --> 00:50:00,369
not even a week or two ago but the

974
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:02,500
United States actually holds what you

975
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:04,230
can call false flag classes

976
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:06,970
internationally they are training young

977
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:09,910
idealistic fanatical revolutionaries in

978
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,500
nations around the world and they're

979
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:13,359
teaching them how to disrupt societies

980
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:15,609
so this is something you know basically

981
00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:17,260
how to stage what was once called a

982
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:20,619
color revolution back in the early 21st

983
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:23,890
century certain Eastern European nations

984
00:50:31,019 --> 00:50:28,420
Kyrgyzstan Ukraine had what were billed

985
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:31,029
as peaceful revolutions against you know

986
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,950
corrupted despotic powers this is what

987
00:50:36,359 --> 00:50:34,240
the u.s. is trying to do right now in

988
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,369
Venezuela that's right that's right and

989
00:50:42,809 --> 00:50:39,359
you know you you bring in literally a

990
00:50:44,279 --> 00:50:42,819
puppet that was trained by your people

991
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,289
and that's the case right now the guy

992
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:46,240
dough in Venezuela but it's happening

993
00:50:53,339 --> 00:50:49,210
and it's happened in other nations and

994
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:53,349
what the u.s. u.s. money does through

995
00:50:57,900 --> 00:50:55,900
the u.s. National Endowment for

996
00:51:00,240 --> 00:50:57,910
democracy anyd which was founded in the

997
00:51:02,339 --> 00:51:00,250
1980s and they basically took over the

998
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:02,349
job what the CIA used to do which is

999
00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:04,630
regime change but they they're smarter

1000
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:07,900
about it so they because everything's

1001
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,200
done through now cutouts they'll fund

1002
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:12,720
international nongovernmental

1003
00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:14,380
organizations and all these different

1004
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,029
countries and throw huge amounts of

1005
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:18,400
money there to disrupt the society to

1006
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:20,980
create leadership in that society to get

1007
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:23,470
the foot soldiers and to create the the

1008
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:24,910
platforms and the banners and the

1009
00:51:29,579 --> 00:51:27,190
signage and the social media and all

1010
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:29,589
that you create something out of nothing

1011
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:31,930
essentially or you find an issue that is

1012
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,720
a legitimate issue but you just work it

1013
00:51:39,269 --> 00:51:37,079
and work it and work it and work it and

1014
00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:39,279
next thing you know you got a revolution

1015
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:41,289
on your hands in a pro-western

1016
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,930
government is installed and the IMF is

1017
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,000
happy so that's that's what the u.s. is

1018
00:51:51,569 --> 00:51:48,119
master at and they actually do have

1019
00:51:53,609 --> 00:51:51,579
classes actual literal sit-down aniseed

1020
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:53,619
classes where someone's instructing on

1021
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:55,480
how you do this

1022
00:52:01,410 --> 00:51:58,810
down when I was living in Panama on the

1023
00:52:03,810 --> 00:52:01,420
Canal Zone right at Fort Clayton and you

1024
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:03,820
can look this up everybody don't don't

1025
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:06,520
take my word for it at Fort Clayton

1026
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:08,770
there's I don't know how many army and

1027
00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:11,320
military bases Marine and Naval Air

1028
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:12,550
Force I don't know how many were down

1029
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:15,310
there but I'm gonna say thirty right and

1030
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:17,020
Panama that might be a pretty good

1031
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:19,150
number but anyway for Clayton was one of

1032
00:52:22,650 --> 00:52:21,070
the big ones and when you first pulled

1033
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,660
in the gates at for Clayton they have

1034
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:25,440
this college there with all these

1035
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:29,110
national flags out in front right it's

1036
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:31,570
very you know it's very regal and and I

1037
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:35,020
asked somebody one day I said so what is

1038
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:38,170
that and this was the answer and by the

1039
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:41,650
way at any time this particular place

1040
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,710
came up in discussion the same things

1041
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:47,440
were said about it which is this that is

1042
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:50,290
the School of the Americas oh yeah oh

1043
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:51,550
really what is that

1044
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:54,040
that is where every dictator and

1045
00:52:59,400 --> 00:52:56,350
military leader in Central and South

1046
00:53:03,000 --> 00:52:59,410
America goes to school we train them and

1047
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:03,010
then they go and run a country like what

1048
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:04,690
they head up to a Fort Benning Georgia

1049
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:08,230
for additional training the most famous

1050
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:10,270
alums of the Americas that's right

1051
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:11,500
that's where they have it now they

1052
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,360
closed it down in Panama

1053
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:15,280
oh so they moved it to the United States

1054
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:17,290
the School of the Americas but I was

1055
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,460
right there and so I would look at it

1056
00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:22,720
and every time that I brought it up

1057
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:24,700
either with somebody in the military or

1058
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:27,820
or whatever my parents or friends other

1059
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:30,370
friends whose parents were teaching

1060
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:33,300
there right it's all at the Canal Zone

1061
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:35,590
it was the same thing that's where we

1062
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:37,360
that's where we trained the dictators

1063
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:44,770
man this is an old old story and it goes

1064
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:47,620
so far back in American history and it's

1065
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,350
not even the purpose of me talking about

1066
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:52,000
this with you isn't to trash the United

1067
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:53,770
States I mean it's just it is what it is

1068
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:57,040
right but but by avoiding these truths

1069
00:54:01,890 --> 00:53:58,810
we're not helping ourselves by

1070
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:01,900
pretending you collect with all of this

1071
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:03,670
nonsense and it is nonsense about

1072
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:05,590
Russian meddling in our elections I mean

1073
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:06,820
we've been hearing about this for two

1074
00:54:09,059 --> 00:54:07,120
years

1075
00:54:10,409 --> 00:54:09,069
the thing that's really the the

1076
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:10,419
funniest about it is all the Pearl

1077
00:54:13,799 --> 00:54:12,249
clutching all the media people saying oh

1078
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:13,809
my goodness they're meddling in our

1079
00:54:18,359 --> 00:54:15,609
election when the United States that's

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what America does has always done always

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will do as long as it has the power to

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do it America there's none better there

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are no nations that can even remotely

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compete with America's ability to meddle

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in other nations electoral process and

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in their quote unquote democracy like

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that's what America does and whether

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it's through School of the Americas

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training dictators to engage in Coos and

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repress their populations or now through

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the National Endowment of democracy in

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US aid and all of these State Department

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cutout organizations that throw money

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billions of dollars into foreign nations

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to destabilize I mean what the United

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States did to nations like Libya will

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forever I know a great great black stain

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on American history and and people

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really need to understand the true

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history of what happened what went down

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00:55:12,979 --> 00:55:11,109
there and ditto with Syria and these are

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things that you know the sick of fant ik

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US media which is totally owned by the

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major corporate interests that are in

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bed with the intelligence community they

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will never ever speak honestly about

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this and so for this reason you know

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whether you're from a fox land or MSNBC

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land or CNN or whatever there are some

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00:55:37,949 --> 00:55:35,529
variations in their yeah it's true but

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by and large all of these are corporate

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established in bed with intelligence

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organization type propaganda

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organizations that's all they are

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00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:44,679
they're just doing propaganda and it's

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no different by the way with BBC RT yeah

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00:55:52,499 --> 00:55:51,669
yeah Russia today home hand it's

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unbelievable

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yeah well with RT I'm gonna just say

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this right now I'm gonna defend them

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because I at least don't feel my

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intelligence insulted when I read RT and

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00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:01,659
I'm gonna say this because right now CNN

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00:56:10,409 --> 00:56:05,169
just called out RT and had Facebook

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basically sycophantic Li ban on Facebook

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that were supposedly funded by the

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00:56:15,929 --> 00:56:14,439
Russian government and you know they

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00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:15,939
don't follow that rule with any other

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00:56:19,979 --> 00:56:16,900
government they don't do that with

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00:56:21,689 --> 00:56:19,989
British or French or or Canadian news

1131
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:21,699
but they do it with with these which are

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00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:22,360
funded

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00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:24,940
like the third or fourth generation like

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00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:26,170
they're not even funded directly by the

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Russian government so no I would

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00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:30,430
actually challenge you on that no no no

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no no III go to art artis my go-to site

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00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:36,730
by the way okay let me be very very

1139
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:37,570
clear

1140
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:40,180
look there's no reporting on any

1141
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:42,070
mainstream media right now about what's

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00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:43,870
going on in Venezuela except for today

1143
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:46,510
that Trump spoke about it but for the

1144
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:49,870
last month you've got to go to RT for

1145
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:51,610
any updates on Venezuela I said I

1146
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:53,020
thought you were lumping them in with

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00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:54,670
the others and I was gonna say no sorry

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00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:56,680
oh it's definitely Artie's still the

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00:57:00,990 --> 00:56:59,680
propaganda arm of Moscow that's you know

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00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:01,000
that's Putin's that here's here's a

1151
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:02,260
difference all right you can actually

1152
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:05,380
fact check them and you can act you can

1153
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:06,850
get information that you can then

1154
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:08,440
investigate you can do the same with CNN

1155
00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:10,210
of course but sure I do that every day

1156
00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:13,660
right I read CNN it's painful at times

1157
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:16,270
but I read it every day but the thing is

1158
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:18,910
what what you see is everyone's got

1159
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:21,540
their spin Fox has got their spin

1160
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:23,800
MSNBC's got their spin HuffPost got

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00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,900
their spin Artie's got their spin all

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00:57:31,050 --> 00:57:28,240
true but the question is how much

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00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:31,060
information are you getting and I would

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00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:32,590
suggest and I think you're inclined to

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00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:34,390
agree that you get vastly more

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00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:37,750
information on a wide array of subjects

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00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:40,540
with RT over any of the other US Western

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00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:43,030
groups you go head to head I would throw

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00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:46,170
RT up against CNN Plus Fox Plus MSNBC

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:49,960
Plus wopo plus New York Times RT I think

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00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:51,370
would kick their ass one side of the

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other side welcome down yeah you're

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right and the difference is we got to

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:57:56,290
take a break break right here Richard at

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least with RT today they are reporting

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00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:02,830
the news on the top half and then it's

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00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:04,750
opinion pieces on the bottom where all

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of the mainstream media Western

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mainstream media the main the opinion

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00:58:13,770 --> 00:58:12,040
pieces are the headlines and they are

1181
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,780
stating that as news it's good point

1182
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:15,280
that's a really nation they have

1183
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:16,690
opinions on the left and right of the

1184
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:18,760
spectrum by the way they do they do

1185
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:20,710
they're pretty balanced no and a lot of

1186
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,690
a lot of American writers on that on

1187
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:24,640
that side too as well let's uh let's

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00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,080
take a break right here our guest

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tonight Richard bleep in Dolan I am your

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host Jimmy Church now when we come back

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we're going to talk about some of that

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government money going into UFO programs

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of research we're going to talk about

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all of that when we come back it's fade

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to black I'm here to mature stay with us

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Amy Church what a great

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night tonight Richard Dolan is here

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tomorrow

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it is David Icke I cannot wait for that

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and Wednesday night we're gonna do Q

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haven't done a Q show here I'm fade to

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black I am Q curious with the Q R me in

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the matrix and shady groove are here on

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Wednesday and then Thursday night is our

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1,000th show think about that let's get

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back to Richard Richard 1000 shows my

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man yeah well done on that yeah you know

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speaking about something going to break

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well you you were you listening to me

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text during the break well of course

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okay go ahead I was thinking about the

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conversation that we were just having

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and here we are both talking about our

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tea and it's almost as if we're in an

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era now in 2019 where you really have to

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wonder like if you're a public person

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and you start saying things that are

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against the mainstream corporate

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narrative like is some something to come

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back and bite you in the ass over it

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I mean we're it's that bad in our

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culture right now totally 100 percent it

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got me thinking about it and and you

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know my reaction was well the hell with

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that I don't really care I'm gonna say

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what I'm going to say and and that's it

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and I've always been that way but

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nonetheless there is a culture in our

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society now that it's spreading and

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everyone knows it everyone knows this is

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a case that is a culture based on fear

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and intimidation and silencing of

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to it and so even when we fight it we

1343
01:06:09,209 --> 01:06:06,609
are aware that we're fighting it and

1344
01:06:11,129 --> 01:06:09,219
that's some we really we have to defeat

1345
01:06:13,859 --> 01:06:11,139
that that culture we've got to defeat

1346
01:06:15,899 --> 01:06:13,869
this attitude it is encroaching a it's

1347
01:06:19,499 --> 01:06:15,909
part of it as deep platforming part of

1348
01:06:22,409 --> 01:06:19,509
it as shaming part of it is you know

1349
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:22,419
actually just censoring as well and then

1350
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:24,849
attacking but all of it is dangerous and

1351
01:06:30,179 --> 01:06:28,209
and none of this was the world that you

1352
01:06:31,739 --> 01:06:30,189
know anyone who's old enough knows like

1353
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:31,749
this is not the world that many of us

1354
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:33,500
grew up in but it's the world that's

1355
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:37,130
become and it's it's the opposite of

1356
01:06:41,710 --> 01:06:39,770
what we were taught right it's the

1357
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:41,720
opposite of what we were taught and I'll

1358
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:43,550
give you a classic example and then

1359
01:06:47,650 --> 01:06:45,650
we're gonna get on to UFOs we've got way

1360
01:06:50,830 --> 01:06:47,660
too much to discuss tonight and I want

1361
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:50,840
to get it all in but I'm gonna give the

1362
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:52,850
most classic example that I can give to

1363
01:06:59,230 --> 01:06:55,550
anybody right now and that is Alex Jones

1364
01:07:02,740 --> 01:06:59,240
now Alex Jones no matter what your

1365
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:02,750
opinion is of Alex that doesn't matter

1366
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:04,970
this country was based on certain

1367
01:07:13,420 --> 01:07:10,370
principles alex was his own worst enemy

1368
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:13,430
for sure you know he caught he knew the

1369
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:14,750
line that he wasn't supposed to cross

1370
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:17,450
and he crossed it there are when you're

1371
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:20,180
dealing with private companies like the

1372
01:07:25,660 --> 01:07:22,820
things in Silicon Valley that have their

1373
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:25,670
requirements then you need to play the

1374
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:27,740
game by their rules just like anything

1375
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:29,330
else you'd go into somebody else's house

1376
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:32,090
you know how to behave he pushed it but

1377
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:36,890
you don't systematically synchronize a

1378
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:39,650
deep platforming of somebody like that

1379
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:44,450
you don't do it and the the fact that we

1380
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:48,170
all had to witness that was was shameful

1381
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:50,420
it was shameful and I'm not defending

1382
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,450
Alex and which trials and and the

1383
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:55,520
lynchings and the mobs and the torches

1384
01:07:59,320 --> 01:07:57,770
and the pitchforks and raiding

1385
01:08:01,870 --> 01:07:59,330
somebody's house because of an

1386
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,880
association you know it's like wait wait

1387
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:03,200
stop with that

1388
01:08:07,330 --> 01:08:05,570
they went after him because of so-called

1389
01:08:10,540 --> 01:08:07,340
hate speech and then the whole Sandy

1390
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:10,550
Hook thing but I would just say I know

1391
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:11,720
some people aren't going to like this

1392
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:13,670
but I would maintain that hate speech is

1393
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:17,060
not a legitimate legal concept and in

1394
01:08:21,579 --> 01:08:18,770
the United States it still doesn't have

1395
01:08:23,499 --> 01:08:21,589
as far as I know a formal legal status

1396
01:08:26,230 --> 01:08:23,509
and it shouldn't other nations do have

1397
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,240
it so by designating certain speech as

1398
01:08:30,849 --> 01:08:28,880
hateful you thereby legislate what

1399
01:08:32,110 --> 01:08:30,859
people are and are not allowed to say

1400
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,120
and the problem with that as a

1401
01:08:36,610 --> 01:08:33,920
definition is that it's incredibly

1402
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:36,620
flexible in plastic and pliable so it

1403
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:38,690
can cut it can change this week hate

1404
01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:41,180
speech can be one thing next month it

1405
01:08:45,490 --> 01:08:43,100
can be something else that's the problem

1406
01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:45,500
with it it's an utterly fluid concept

1407
01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:47,299
you never know where you stand

1408
01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:49,880
and and it was used against Alex Jones

1409
01:08:54,849 --> 01:08:52,670
in this particular case but it's a hates

1410
01:08:58,420 --> 01:08:54,859
day very concept of hate speech is a

1411
01:09:01,240 --> 01:08:58,430
pernicious dangerous concept it's one

1412
01:09:04,750 --> 01:09:01,250
thing to say something bad or say

1413
01:09:07,750 --> 01:09:04,760
something that people disagree with but

1414
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:07,760
what we have historically legislated

1415
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,770
about you know in free societies are not

1416
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:12,560
speech but actions you know there's the

1417
01:09:16,599 --> 01:09:14,750
old adage you know don't shout fire in a

1418
01:09:19,059 --> 01:09:16,609
crowded movie theater but that's not

1419
01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:19,069
what he was doing and when people argue

1420
01:09:22,599 --> 01:09:20,540
that he was doing that they're just

1421
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,609
stretching the boundaries of common

1422
01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:24,560
sense out of all proportion and out of

1423
01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:29,000
all all sensibility and and reason so

1424
01:09:35,980 --> 01:09:32,779
know we have a society based on freedom

1425
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:35,990
of expression and we I think it was

1426
01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:37,370
Jordan Peterson to put it better than

1427
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:38,900
anyone I've ever heard which is that

1428
01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:42,770
free speech isn't simply an ordinary

1429
01:09:46,510 --> 01:09:44,839
right it is the very foundation by which

1430
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:46,520
free societies can regulate themselves

1431
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:49,250
you can't have a functioning society if

1432
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:51,410
you don't allow people who disagree with

1433
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:53,960
you to express themselves they have to

1434
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,160
be able to because that's how we all get

1435
01:09:59,440 --> 01:09:57,920
better like I don't I don't get better

1436
01:10:01,390 --> 01:09:59,450
unless you can disagree with me and

1437
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:01,400
point out to me mistakes that I've made

1438
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:04,700
and vice versa and when you don't have

1439
01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:07,430
that in society when you break that that

1440
01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:10,220
down you're damaging the the core

1441
01:10:14,590 --> 01:10:11,900
functionality of what it is to have

1442
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:14,600
freedom in a society and you know that

1443
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:16,370
the deep platforming of Alex Jones is

1444
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:19,010
one of those examples and and the fact

1445
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:20,680
that it happened in a coordinated way

1446
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:23,090
with Facebook and Twitter and YouTube

1447
01:10:28,030 --> 01:10:25,940
all like boom obviously there was a

1448
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:28,040
significant marching orders coming from

1449
01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:30,680
somewhere else yet today today's social

1450
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:35,000
media is so dangerous and so quick and

1451
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:40,960
so fast that changing or in flaming

1452
01:10:49,150 --> 01:10:46,460
opinions and emotions is now what what

1453
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:49,160
everybody does and now I'm gonna do well

1454
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:51,080
let me bring my show I mean I do I do

1455
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:53,210
several live streams every week and I

1456
01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:55,670
got to tell you I'm constantly wondering

1457
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,350
how am I gonna get dinged by YouTube

1458
01:11:00,750 --> 01:10:59,600
this time right because it happens I I'm

1459
01:11:03,390 --> 01:11:00,760
so

1460
01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:03,400
conscious of that well algorithms out

1461
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:05,320
there yeah and like they it's not even

1462
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:06,880
human beings that you're fighting with

1463
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:09,370
know where you're fighting with

1464
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:13,090
artificially intelligent algorithms that

1465
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:14,920
by the way have their own biases as

1466
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:17,770
we're now learning and and you can you

1467
01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:19,450
can get dinged by YouTube they'll de

1468
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,030
monetize or or they'll give you a strike

1469
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:24,540
one and that type of thing and you can

1470
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:27,670
petition it and fight it which I have

1471
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,430
had to do more than one time so so far

1472
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:32,320
I'm I'm in good standing with YouTube I

1473
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:34,330
haven't done anything yet but they they

1474
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:36,250
get me and then we fight it and then

1475
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:39,130
they take it back so but it's a constant

1476
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:40,990
like is it gonna be this week is it

1477
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:43,300
gonna be this time over things that are

1478
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:46,120
you know I'd never say anything that's

1479
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:49,150
actually offensive on any any program

1480
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:51,460
that I do but I talk about things that

1481
01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:53,260
are sometimes difficult sometimes

1482
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:55,480
controversial that's what life is that's

1483
01:12:00,660 --> 01:11:57,910
what we do here and it's getting to a

1484
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:00,670
point where I think really people need

1485
01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:03,370
to be wondering what is happening

1486
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:05,200
China's implementing their Social Credit

1487
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:07,870
System mmm-hmm and you think that

1488
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:09,160
Western countries are immune to that

1489
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:12,310
we're already seeing early versions of

1490
01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:14,710
it being implemented here through social

1491
01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:17,680
media shaming for example but it's going

1492
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:19,740
to be much more you give it 10 years

1493
01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:21,880
China's got it now give us 10 years

1494
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:25,300
we're gonna see it yeah everybody needs

1495
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:27,580
to be really conscious of this thought

1496
01:12:32,610 --> 01:12:29,560
and if you don't think we're close to

1497
01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:32,620
this listen to my words when you go and

1498
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:35,620
apply for a credit card the FICO your

1499
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:37,450
FICO score will be the last thing that

1500
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,010
they look at you are gonna be ranked in

1501
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:44,560
ways that you have no idea pop in your

1502
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:47,350
email and so you can get confirmation on

1503
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:49,090
your credit card application right just

1504
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:51,640
pop that in there and just let them go

1505
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:55,420
crazy and and that that's where we're

1506
01:13:00,060 --> 01:12:57,250
gonna have that kind of social Ryan wait

1507
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:00,070
for a 5g to get rolled out in it's all

1508
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:02,830
all of its glory because 5g is the total

1509
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:04,930
comprehensive system that's the smart

1510
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:06,490
internet that's all your smart devices

1511
01:13:11,130 --> 01:13:09,010
that can talk to each other and spy on

1512
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:11,140
you in ways that will make you think the

1513
01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:13,300
era of the cell phone was the Golden Age

1514
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:14,469
of privacy

1515
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:16,810
that's how bad it will be everything is

1516
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:19,270
going to be monitored that's it there's

1517
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:21,070
no escape and and all of that will be

1518
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:24,420
you'll be you'll be graded ranked

1519
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:27,730
modeled in algorithms psychologically

1520
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:30,850
profiled and minority reported and

1521
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:32,170
everything else like all of that will

1522
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:34,690
happen there's nothing that's going to

1523
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:36,910
stop this is this is a runaway train and

1524
01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:39,330
it's actually really scary look at

1525
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:42,219
because with the 5g implementation and

1526
01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:45,010
they know about the health effects of

1527
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:47,560
this you there's no way not to know that

1528
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:49,780
this is dangerous technology but I will

1529
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:51,370
guarantee you that people rolling it out

1530
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:54,730
do not care because for them 5g is a

1531
01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:57,340
necessity not only for total

1532
01:14:00,900 --> 01:13:59,170
surveillance which is a nice fringe

1533
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:00,910
benefit but simply for military

1534
01:14:04,770 --> 01:14:03,430
advantage and for corporate money-making

1535
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:04,780
opportunities it's just it's too

1536
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:07,270
lucrative so and it's too powerful so

1537
01:14:12,689 --> 01:14:09,640
they will never hesitate rolling it out

1538
01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:12,699
and if a few million people die from the

1539
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,230
effects well they'll pay the lawsuits

1540
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:16,960
that's my prediction and it will roll

1541
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:20,500
out and we're looking at a culture that

1542
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:23,710
grows up in such a comprehensively

1543
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:25,540
surveilled society with not a single

1544
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:28,540
iota of privacy that's creating a Borg

1545
01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:32,170
mentality and that's my biggest fear so

1546
01:14:37,229 --> 01:14:34,540
Social Credit System yeah that'll be a

1547
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:37,239
given but you wait for the future

1548
01:14:42,150 --> 01:14:39,640
generations growing up with toxic food

1549
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:42,160
toxic education toxic information all

1550
01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:44,350
around them zoning out in virtual

1551
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:47,140
reality total immersive immersive VR all

1552
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:49,690
of that that's what we're looking at we

1553
01:14:54,209 --> 01:14:50,770
I don't know how to stop it

1554
01:14:56,670 --> 01:14:54,219
but like think people really need to

1555
01:14:59,360 --> 01:14:56,680
care about this because this is

1556
01:15:02,939 --> 01:14:59,370
happening it's happening and by the way

1557
01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:02,949
we can segue into UFOs because I do

1558
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:05,080
think that there are tie ends here but

1559
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,760
this is a very very serious it's what

1560
01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:11,920
we're seeing now with the social

1561
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:14,500
pressures and the propaganda that's

1562
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:16,690
being levied against us every single day

1563
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:22,210
this is one symptom one element of a

1564
01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:25,449
larger transformation of our society

1565
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:28,390
from something like freedom to

1566
01:15:33,330 --> 01:15:30,970
something like 24/7 totalitarian is a

1567
01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:33,340
minute we're seeing it happen by stages

1568
01:15:40,860 --> 01:15:36,520
that's all we're seeing ya 5g the the

1569
01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:40,870
database the individual database for

1570
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:43,870
every person on this planet certainly

1571
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:46,750
everybody from newborns as we are

1572
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:50,890
talking through adulthood and seniors

1573
01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:53,710
the database is already there once 5g

1574
01:15:59,580 --> 01:15:56,590
rolls out its just tying in that

1575
01:16:02,820 --> 01:15:59,590
database to you and your smart devices

1576
01:16:05,550 --> 01:16:02,830
and it's that simple that it's it's

1577
01:16:07,340 --> 01:16:05,560
seriously just the flip of a switch and

1578
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:07,350
it turns up the flow of information

1579
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:09,250
exponentially that's the thing like the

1580
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:12,190
amount of data real-time flow through IG

1581
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,770
5g is just off the charts like hundred

1582
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:17,440
times more or even greater than forging

1583
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:21,550
what so so it allows and the way that by

1584
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:23,170
the way artificial intelligence will

1585
01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:25,570
probably develop is through massive

1586
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:27,460
amounts of data 5g will make that

1587
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:31,110
possible so look for look for the

1588
01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:35,500
Terminator to happen facilitated by 5g

1589
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:38,020
capabilities I wanted to let's let's

1590
01:16:44,130 --> 01:16:41,050
let's get right into a UFOs I wanted to

1591
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:44,140
ask you about the two videos that

1592
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:46,690
surfaced over the last month the one

1593
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:50,080
that surfaced out of Utah and one out of

1594
01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:52,840
Spain that are nearly identical both

1595
01:16:59,190 --> 01:16:56,200
shot with drones oddly enough and both

1596
01:17:01,320 --> 01:16:59,200
with the UFOs apparently appearing in

1597
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:01,330
mountain ranges and moving at you know

1598
01:17:05,730 --> 01:17:03,640
pretty great speeds what do you think

1599
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:05,740
about those two videos well let me talk

1600
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,510
about the Utah video first because I I'm

1601
01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:09,280
a little bit more familiar with that one

1602
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,860
anyway I'm aware of the one out of Spain

1603
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:13,840
it's I think it sounds very interesting

1604
01:17:18,810 --> 01:17:16,600
as well but I confess I haven't really

1605
01:17:20,970 --> 01:17:18,820
been subjected to like an analysis of it

1606
01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:20,980
and I I'd be more comfortable talking

1607
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,620
about the Utah one the Utah one to me is

1608
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,600
is particularly interesting there's a

1609
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:27,760
lot of people pro and con about it but

1610
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:30,550
basically it was filmed it at the later

1611
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:33,540
part of 2016 I think in November and

1612
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:36,520
it's a hell of a video to watch for sure

1613
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:39,330
and there's a lot of different analyses

1614
01:17:47,660 --> 01:17:43,380
that are available now about it but

1615
01:17:52,340 --> 01:17:47,670
essentially you've got you know people

1616
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:52,350
have have sort of done a what do I want

1617
01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:55,290
to say here the trajectory of it and

1618
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:57,230
sort of mapped it out on Google Earth

1619
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:01,320
and according to at least one argument

1620
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:05,310
the parallax argument the object moved

1621
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:06,870
something like two and a half or three

1622
01:18:11,150 --> 01:18:09,390
miles in such a short period of time it

1623
01:18:12,650 --> 01:18:11,160
was estimated moving multiple thousands

1624
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:12,660
of miles per hour maybe nine thousand

1625
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:14,490
ten thousand miles per hour or more

1626
01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:16,980
there are alternative arguments I've

1627
01:18:20,690 --> 01:18:19,380
been really doing my best to see where

1628
01:18:22,670 --> 01:18:20,700
these guys are coming from so whether

1629
01:18:26,420 --> 01:18:22,680
it's a hawk Falcon moving at a

1630
01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:26,430
relatively slow speed insect doesn't

1631
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:28,620
seem very credible to me I have to be

1632
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:30,060
honest and just every time I look at

1633
01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:32,610
that video I don't see hawk at all and

1634
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:33,720
by the way I've gotten a lot of

1635
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:36,330
correspondence from Falcon and Hawk

1636
01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:39,330
experts into my inbox and I will just

1637
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:41,660
tell you every one of them and these are

1638
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,430
clearly highly expert people they're all

1639
01:18:50,570 --> 01:18:47,280
saying no not Hawk not a falcon not even

1640
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:50,580
close not a chance so it's it's either

1641
01:18:55,730 --> 01:18:54,210
in my opinion I'm ruling out Hawks and

1642
01:18:58,820 --> 01:18:55,740
and insects I don't think that's

1643
01:19:03,590 --> 01:18:58,830
credible at all it's either real legit

1644
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:03,600
or at CGI CGI is at least in theory a

1645
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:06,870
possibility my understanding is that

1646
01:19:13,210 --> 01:19:09,450
these types of videos it is and it is

1647
01:19:15,230 --> 01:19:13,220
possible to craft a video that is

1648
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:15,240
convincing I've talked to a couple of

1649
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:17,910
CGI experts who say that it can be done

1650
01:19:22,730 --> 01:19:20,510
the problem is when you listen to the

1651
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:22,740
the gentleman who was operating the

1652
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:25,560
drone at the time I've listened a couple

1653
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:29,130
of his interviews he's kind of put his

1654
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:30,600
background out there for everyone to

1655
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:32,850
analyze and I think he made it pretty

1656
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:34,770
clear that he's not a CGI expert not

1657
01:19:40,610 --> 01:19:38,040
even close he's a John guy I didn't

1658
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:40,620
really get that sense from him that he

1659
01:19:44,210 --> 01:19:42,840
was trying to make this up and if

1660
01:19:46,190 --> 01:19:44,220
someone wants to make that claim they

1661
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,200
better provide some evidence I'm not

1662
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:47,760
seeing any reason to believe that this

1663
01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:51,360
was CGI so to me I'm going on the

1664
01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:52,780
assumption that this Joan

1665
01:19:58,439 --> 01:19:54,820
video is what it appears of a genuine

1666
01:20:01,649 --> 01:19:58,449
UFO and I would point out that in our

1667
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:01,659
history go back to the 40s go back to

1668
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:06,010
the 1950s we have official government

1669
01:20:13,919 --> 01:20:09,300
documents that talk about instruments

1670
01:20:18,660 --> 01:20:13,929
tracking objects moving at multiple

1671
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:18,670
thousands of miles per hour and you know

1672
01:20:23,250 --> 01:20:21,010
whether triangulated through something

1673
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:23,260
like project twinkle in the early 1950s

1674
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:26,170
which was a an attempt by the United

1675
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:28,110
States Air Force to track these

1676
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:30,250
anomalous objects that were being seen

1677
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:33,250
in southwestern us or when you talk

1678
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:37,329
about Navy missile trackers in 1948 who

1679
01:20:42,419 --> 01:20:39,489
are about to launch a skyhook balloon

1680
01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:42,429
and they see through Theo delights these

1681
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:45,940
are measuring devices like telescopes

1682
01:20:52,799 --> 01:20:49,210
that have the ability to measure

1683
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:52,809
altitude and azimuth and so forth with

1684
01:20:57,629 --> 01:20:54,550
those instruments they tracked an

1685
01:21:01,770 --> 01:20:57,639
incredibly fast elliptical white or

1686
01:21:04,290 --> 01:21:01,780
silver UFO moving it estimated possibly

1687
01:21:07,319 --> 01:21:04,300
as high as 18,000 miles per hours five

1688
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:07,329
miles per second so if there's a lot of

1689
01:21:17,010 --> 01:21:13,110
these types of seemingly well attested

1690
01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:17,020
measured sightings by US military of

1691
01:21:23,879 --> 01:21:19,900
objects going at ridiculously fast

1692
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,889
speeds so it's not out of the realm of

1693
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:25,840
possibility is what I'm saying there are

1694
01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:29,050
very very rapid moving objects and we

1695
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:32,380
have them in our documented Declassified

1696
01:21:38,430 --> 01:21:36,369
history so with that in mind I think

1697
01:21:40,169 --> 01:21:38,440
it's a mistake for skeptics to go on the

1698
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:40,179
assumption it can't be therefore it

1699
01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:41,710
isn't which is what you get with a lot

1700
01:21:46,169 --> 01:21:44,260
of these people so they'll then you know

1701
01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:46,179
do all kinds of mental gymnastics to

1702
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:50,500
find an excuse to label something as as

1703
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:53,710
a hawk I mean I understand wanting to

1704
01:21:58,169 --> 01:21:55,780
find conventional explanations and you

1705
01:22:00,209 --> 01:21:58,179
should sure should always look for

1706
01:22:02,129 --> 01:22:00,219
conventional explanations but when it

1707
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:02,139
when the conventional explanation itself

1708
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:03,460
is ridiculous and you got to ask

1709
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:05,380
yourself well what why don't we what are

1710
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:06,310
we talking about here

1711
01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:09,250
so with the Utah UFO video I'm I'm on

1712
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:12,750
the side of the fence at the moment of

1713
01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:15,010
thinking that it's legit and that its

1714
01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:17,620
anomalous we could be persuaded

1715
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:20,430
otherwise but the video out of Spain is

1716
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:23,530
nearly identical have you seen the video

1717
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:27,490
out of Spain so I saw JPEG I saw a still

1718
01:22:32,430 --> 01:22:28,870
image of it so I haven't looked at the

1719
01:22:34,230 --> 01:22:32,440
video okay it's it's the it doesn't

1720
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:34,240
really matter in that it's the Spanish

1721
01:22:41,070 --> 01:22:38,560
version of the same video okay so you

1722
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:41,080
have a drone cruising around looking at

1723
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:43,210
real estate whatever in a mountainous

1724
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:46,180
region of Spain and then out of the side

1725
01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:48,010
of this mountain pops is shelling me

1726
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:51,880
right now right so watch that and nearly

1727
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:53,380
the same and they did the same breakdown

1728
01:22:59,310 --> 01:22:55,510
they did the Google Earth and mapping

1729
01:23:02,280 --> 01:22:59,320
the terrain and in this case though yeah

1730
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:02,290
this case it exits the mountain right it

1731
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:04,270
looks like it comes came out a few days

1732
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:05,940
ago I see yeah

1733
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:09,880
about two weeks ago maybe two yeah all

1734
01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:18,280
right fine February 10th so I'm going on

1735
01:23:28,860 --> 01:23:23,500
that and today's the 18th ok a week and

1736
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,870
a half ago that's give me this much okay

1737
01:23:35,490 --> 01:23:30,880
I'll give you eight days okay be a days

1738
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:35,500
but you're only allowed two days leeway

1739
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:37,270
here okay you get you get two days

1740
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:41,890
cushion but it seems very similar now

1741
01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:44,830
are we looking at a copycat video of of

1742
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:47,500
Utah right somebody that wants the Utah

1743
01:23:52,710 --> 01:23:49,210
video and then went and created that or

1744
01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:52,720
are we looking at the same object of the

1745
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:55,510
same type of craft in a remote region

1746
01:24:00,750 --> 01:23:57,730
and again here's why it doesn't have to

1747
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:00,760
be a copycat video because if you really

1748
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:01,930
think about it logically

1749
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:05,590
all right the biggest I mean we're in an

1750
01:24:11,730 --> 01:24:08,460
era now where cameras are everywhere

1751
01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:11,740
YouTube is now ubiquitous and so it's

1752
01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:15,640
not and 4k capabilities or know how this

1753
01:24:19,659 --> 01:24:16,900
looks like it's probably I'm sure it's a

1754
01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:19,669
4k video just like the Utah one

1755
01:24:24,339 --> 01:24:21,590
so with the capabilities and the

1756
01:24:27,370 --> 01:24:24,349
resolution being what they are it

1757
01:24:29,649 --> 01:24:27,380
shouldn't be shocking that we're

1758
01:24:32,169 --> 01:24:29,659
catching things that we would not

1759
01:24:34,449 --> 01:24:32,179
otherwise have seen so that at least

1760
01:24:36,699 --> 01:24:34,459
just in theory but of course it could be

1761
01:24:38,919 --> 01:24:36,709
a copycat video I mean why not sure and

1762
01:24:40,959 --> 01:24:38,929
now we have everybody is seeing this

1763
01:24:44,409 --> 01:24:40,969
you've got a drone that can go out and

1764
01:24:46,179 --> 01:24:44,419
shoot at 1080 or a 4k video you can go

1765
01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:46,189
out and shoot in any remote region and

1766
01:24:53,739 --> 01:24:50,929
and just you know apply rinse rinse and

1767
01:24:56,020 --> 01:24:53,749
repeat and and apply an object into your

1768
01:24:57,850 --> 01:24:56,030
video and with this you know start to

1769
01:24:59,949 --> 01:24:57,860
give people ideas to go and do this I

1770
01:25:04,419 --> 01:24:59,959
would like to say that the Spain video

1771
01:25:06,939 --> 01:25:04,429
is just as legit looking as the Utah

1772
01:25:10,449 --> 01:25:06,949
video it's a pretty good video and it's

1773
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,459
funny those of us who aren't technically

1774
01:25:14,770 --> 01:25:12,800
trained in video analysis yeah I would

1775
01:25:16,689 --> 01:25:14,780
agree with you it looks every bit as

1776
01:25:18,250 --> 01:25:16,699
good with all of these videos what you

1777
01:25:21,009 --> 01:25:18,260
have to do is get the backstory to the

1778
01:25:24,009 --> 01:25:21,019
maximum extent possible like YouTube

1779
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:24,019
videos unfortunately by themselves

1780
01:25:27,639 --> 01:25:25,610
aren't really going to cut it they never

1781
01:25:28,989 --> 01:25:27,649
they never will right so you've got to

1782
01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:28,999
go back you've got to interview the

1783
01:25:32,979 --> 01:25:30,760
witnesses you've got to get as much

1784
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:32,989
detailed information about the backstory

1785
01:25:40,509 --> 01:25:38,510
of the person it's like a going to trial

1786
01:25:42,189 --> 01:25:40,519
you get character witnesses you get any

1787
01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:42,199
other kind of relevant testimony that

1788
01:25:46,389 --> 01:25:45,380
you can get and we'll we still may never

1789
01:25:49,719 --> 01:25:46,399
be in a position where we can

1790
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:49,729
hundred-percent confirm it but maybe we

1791
01:25:54,549 --> 01:25:52,550
can get to a point where we can say it

1792
01:25:56,649 --> 01:25:54,559
looks real or it looks fake and and

1793
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:56,659
that's at least better than not having

1794
01:25:59,799 --> 01:25:58,610
any idea it's an interesting video I'm

1795
01:26:02,799 --> 01:25:59,809
looking at it again and again right

1796
01:26:05,469 --> 01:26:02,809
there yeah and it has the same kind of

1797
01:26:10,899 --> 01:26:05,479
graceful arc of the motion the same

1798
01:26:14,469 --> 01:26:10,909
drone fly by at the end yes a lot of

1799
01:26:15,969 --> 01:26:14,479
people argued that because the the Utah

1800
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:15,979
and I'm sure with the Spanish one here

1801
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:19,249
because it had that graceful arc there

1802
01:26:23,770 --> 01:26:21,169
were arguments that that said well that

1803
01:26:26,529 --> 01:26:23,780
mitigates against it being a genuine UFO

1804
01:26:28,929 --> 01:26:26,539
as almost as if they expected a genuine

1805
01:26:31,919 --> 01:26:28,939
UFO to have you know always non-inertial

1806
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:31,929
turns and this type of thing and

1807
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:33,590
historically that's just as

1808
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:37,280
true so historically UFO sightings have

1809
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:41,920
had many examples of craft moving in

1810
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,199
extremely graceful arcs that like a bird

1811
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:48,320
would do exam that they're not birds so

1812
01:26:54,430 --> 01:26:50,420
I don't think it's a fair argument to

1813
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:54,440
make that you know because it moves in

1814
01:27:00,970 --> 01:26:57,080
what seems to be a proper aerodynamic

1815
01:27:02,260 --> 01:27:00,980
manner that it's therefore not anomalous

1816
01:27:05,979 --> 01:27:02,270
I mean that just doesn't make sense to

1817
01:27:11,379 --> 01:27:05,989
me and the other thing what if there is

1818
01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:11,389
a human in that craft or you know and

1819
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:13,460
that it there's there's a human element

1820
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:16,880
a terrestrial element to this you know

1821
01:27:21,550 --> 01:27:19,280
it's not necessarily et that there's a

1822
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:21,560
that can get us into some of the science

1823
01:27:26,919 --> 01:27:23,570
that I I would love to talk about with

1824
01:27:28,810 --> 01:27:26,929
you tonight because I've really been

1825
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:28,820
forming the opinion that it's the world

1826
01:27:34,209 --> 01:27:31,670
of science perhaps maybe even more than

1827
01:27:37,390 --> 01:27:34,219
the world of politics that might promote

1828
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,400
or push what we might consider a genuine

1829
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,440
disclosure of the UFO subject because it

1830
01:27:43,930 --> 01:27:42,080
seems to me that some of the science

1831
01:27:49,089 --> 01:27:43,940
being discussed currently and I'm

1832
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,099
talking last year or so is attempting to

1833
01:27:54,370 --> 01:27:52,159
explain just how if there were a human

1834
01:27:56,140 --> 01:27:54,380
in those objects and I'm not saying

1835
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:56,150
that's the case but if there were how

1836
01:28:01,359 --> 01:27:58,489
human could actually survive and how how

1837
01:28:02,890 --> 01:28:01,369
it would be possible well let's do that

1838
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:02,900
when we come back yeah let's take our

1839
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:05,210
break right here and our guest tonight

1840
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:08,210
is Richard Dolan Richard bleep and Dolan

1841
01:28:11,379 --> 01:28:09,770
when we come back we're gonna talk about

1842
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:11,389
some of those projects and the money

1843
01:28:16,030 --> 01:28:13,250
that's involved with them who's doing it

1844
01:28:17,290 --> 01:28:16,040
and the why this is fade to black or

1845
01:28:19,630 --> 01:28:17,300
guess not Richard Dolan will be back

1846
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:19,640
after this short break stay with us

1847
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:35,419
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now Richard it's talking about these

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these projects the list was released and

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we got this last month but the it was

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who signed it right and it's a Christine

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camp and II see the chief of the DIA

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congressional relations division and the

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distribution of this list is right here

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majority leader you a Senate speaker US

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House Papa buy goes all the way down and

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01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:51,900
there was one thing at the bottom of the

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letter that I found interesting which is

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you know everything is unclassified

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except for attachment number 37 and it's

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got a secret no foreign version of

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attachment 38 and then you scroll down

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and take a quick peek at number 37 which

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is state of the art and evolution of

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high-energy laser weapons okay all right

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okay so but the rest of it is all pretty

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01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:21,180
interesting for our community when you

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saw the distribution list and the list

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of reports here that is being

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distributed what did you think well yeah

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01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:29,970
I just want to give a little background

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for folks so what you're referring to is

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about a month ago the Defense

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01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:36,660
Intelligence Agency released a list of

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as you just said unclassified scientific

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01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:42,330
papers that are dealing with some very

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very leading edge cutting-edge some

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01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:46,950
critics would say sci-fi fantastical

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01:35:55,100 --> 01:35:52,170
types of concepts these were actually

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commissioned under the the program the a

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01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,790
tip program the advanced aerospace

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01:36:00,170 --> 01:35:59,040
threat identification program so the UFO

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01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:00,180
program that everyone's been talking

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01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:06,660
about since late 2017 and the actually

1992
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:09,330
these papers were first discussed as far

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01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,000
as I know by how put off last

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01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:14,760
summer in 2018 for the Society of

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01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:17,040
scientific exploration SSC conference

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01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:20,490
that they had in I think it was in June

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01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:25,770
of 2018 he mentioned them there and then

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01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:28,530
I get I think was through FOIA but

1999
01:36:34,730 --> 01:36:31,050
somehow the DIA just released those very

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01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:34,740
titles about a month ago so they're in

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01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:37,800
it's an incredible list of subjects and

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01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:39,810
just to give people an idea if they

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01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:44,070
haven't heard about this so one of the

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01:36:48,020 --> 01:36:45,780
papers this is one that actually put off

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01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:48,030
himself wrote called advanced space

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propulsion based on vacuum space time

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01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:53,460
metric engineering you think about that

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01:36:57,050 --> 01:36:55,620
I'm happy to talk about it to my limited

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01:37:00,700 --> 01:36:57,060
ability and they've got others like

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01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:00,710
invisibility cloak traversable wormholes

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01:37:06,740 --> 01:37:04,620
stargates and negative energy and much

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01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:06,750
more the one that is fully classified as

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01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:08,090
you mentioned has to do with laser

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01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:10,710
high-energy laser weapons and so it's a

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01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:12,840
clear military application and I assume

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01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:15,480
they don't want that out there yet but

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01:37:20,540 --> 01:37:17,580
these others are basically speculative

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01:37:24,590 --> 01:37:20,550
papers and the question is you really

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01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:24,600
asked what is going on here and the

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01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:26,910
backstory of this is actually quite

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01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:29,250
interesting and this really gets me

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01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:32,280
thinking about well a lot of things one

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01:37:39,710 --> 01:37:36,030
is the toll tts a venture you know led

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01:37:42,430 --> 01:37:39,720
by at least fronted by Tom DeLonge which

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01:37:44,630 --> 01:37:42,440
has been such a lightning rod of

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01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:44,640
conversation and controversy since it's

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01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:47,490
been announced but in my opinion the

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01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:49,910
person to be looking at with that whole

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01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:53,730
operation isn't DeLong and it isn't even

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01:37:57,980 --> 01:37:55,920
Lew Elizondo although we s he's

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01:37:59,570 --> 01:37:57,990
interesting but the person to be looking

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at his help put off how long have you

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01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,590
known how funny I've known him not close

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01:38:07,820 --> 01:38:06,000
but we have known each other in a very

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01:38:11,230 --> 01:38:07,830
cordial way for almost 20 years now

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so when my first book came out in 2000 I

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self-published that book it was man that

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was before Amazon - so was I in the

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01:38:23,740 --> 01:38:21,720
truly old school method like I had to go

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through the whole process of finding

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printers and distributors

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01:38:32,830 --> 01:38:28,850
all of that but my book came out in the

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01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:32,840
middle of 2000 people started to learn

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01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:36,199
about me later part of 2001 of those

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01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,360
people apparently was out put off who

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01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:41,360
told me he wrote to me and even then I

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01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,530
knew who he was I was very inexperienced

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01:38:48,970 --> 01:38:47,840
and I nearly fell off my chair when he

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01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:48,980
told me that he had actually bought a

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01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:50,540
bunch of copies of my book and had given

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01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:53,000
it out to a number of his colleagues I

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01:39:00,970 --> 01:38:56,710
thought oh wow ok well here we go so I

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01:39:02,919 --> 01:39:00,980
you know over the years would correspond

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01:39:05,470 --> 01:39:02,929
with him we would chat I met with him in

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01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:05,480
person a few times and I really want to

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01:39:09,310 --> 01:39:07,190
emphasize it's not like I was his buddy

2057
01:39:12,010 --> 01:39:09,320
we were never that close but we

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01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:12,020
respected each other and we had a couple

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01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:13,730
of conversations that I would classify

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01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:16,850
as heart-to-heart that were personal and

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01:39:21,729 --> 01:39:19,190
where I felt like we took each other's

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01:39:23,470 --> 01:39:21,739
measure as it were and and and I think

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01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:23,480
we respected each other so I was

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01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:25,340
fortunate and what I've never tried to

2065
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:29,600
do is is push that relationship and he's

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01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:31,489
busy he's a very interesting and busy

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01:39:37,570 --> 01:39:34,850
person but from time to time if I have

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01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:37,580
questions he's one of the people that I

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01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:39,560
would correspond with and ask and get

2070
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,210
his take on whatever it is I'm

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01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,280
interested in what on any aspect of

2072
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:45,440
ufology what I learned over the years is

2073
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:48,890
that this was a man who wasn't just the

2074
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:50,390
co-founder of the remote-viewing program

2075
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,489
which of course famously with Russell

2076
01:39:57,070 --> 01:39:55,280
Targ mm-hmm but and he's not just a guy

2077
01:39:59,620 --> 01:39:57,080
who was interested in zero-point energy

2078
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,630
and leading-edge energy solutions but

2079
01:40:04,150 --> 01:40:01,040
he's someone who's had an active

2080
01:40:08,590 --> 01:40:04,160
interest in UFOs and starting last

2081
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:08,600
summer he outed himself as someone who's

2082
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,550
actually had a long-standing interest

2083
01:40:15,970 --> 01:40:13,040
and concern with the UFO phenomenon and

2084
01:40:19,870 --> 01:40:15,980
I knew this of course but he went out

2085
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:19,880
and stated it I'm you know I think it's

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01:40:24,669 --> 01:40:21,410
he's he's 80

2087
01:40:29,860 --> 01:40:24,679
he's in his 80s now and I really have

2088
01:40:33,580 --> 01:40:29,870
come to believe that he is an incredibly

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01:40:38,209 --> 01:40:33,590
important person for where we are at

2090
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,219
right now at this phase of history

2091
01:40:43,610 --> 01:40:40,560
with the our knowledge of the UFO

2092
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:43,620
phenomenon and people who are interested

2093
01:40:51,020 --> 01:40:47,520
in what we call disclosure I put him at

2094
01:40:54,170 --> 01:40:51,030
a really important place in all of this

2095
01:40:56,030 --> 01:40:54,180
and it just seems to me there's a very

2096
01:40:59,090 --> 01:40:56,040
very small amount of discussion about

2097
01:41:00,250 --> 01:40:59,100
him whereas his importance is much much

2098
01:41:03,170 --> 01:41:00,260
greater than the amount of conversation

2099
01:41:06,650 --> 01:41:03,180
about him seems to me the the community

2100
01:41:13,070 --> 01:41:06,660
needs to hear from him why why don't we

2101
01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:13,080
hear from Hal directly and he'll get

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01:41:16,189 --> 01:41:14,820
back to me when he when he wants to you

2103
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:16,199
know I've asked to interview him many

2104
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:18,300
times and he gives these wonderful

2105
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:19,860
soft-nosed which is like well I'll think

2106
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:21,690
about it well I'll get back to you and

2107
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:25,530
which of course that says no he's a very

2108
01:41:31,630 --> 01:41:28,500
very dignified sophisticated polite man

2109
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:31,640
and but he's also very careful very

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01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,410
careful about his public statements he's

2111
01:41:38,209 --> 01:41:36,480
always been you know he's worked with in

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01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:38,219
the classified world for a really long

2113
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:41,070
time and so he's learned the game he

2114
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:42,780
knows what he's allowed to say and what

2115
01:41:47,689 --> 01:41:44,130
he's able to say and what he can't say

2116
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:47,699
so I think his position is just you know

2117
01:41:53,450 --> 01:41:49,770
not put put himself in a position where

2118
01:41:54,979 --> 01:41:53,460
he's going to be saying things that he

2119
01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:54,989
can't say I think it's that simple so

2120
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,460
the easiest thing is just to avoid it

2121
01:42:01,370 --> 01:41:59,280
altogether but I I will say this like

2122
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:01,380
his public statements now are a matter

2123
01:42:10,370 --> 01:42:05,310
of record and particularly of supreme

2124
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:10,380
importance is his statement at the SSC

2125
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:13,040
conference last summer and he talked

2126
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:17,850
shockingly candidly about the UAP UFO

2127
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:21,449
phenomenon talked about his relationship

2128
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:23,610
to the entire a tip program which was as

2129
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a sub contracted to Bigelow advanced

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aerospace systems bass Bigelow

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contracted with how put ups company

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earth Tech International to collaborate

2133
01:42:40,580 --> 01:42:38,219
as a subcontractor which he agreed to do

2134
01:42:43,670 --> 01:42:40,590
and his main thing here this is an

2135
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:43,680
incredible behind-the-scenes thing that

2136
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:48,030
he did which was he identified that

2137
01:42:51,740 --> 01:42:50,570
there were there was so much

2138
01:42:54,380 --> 01:42:51,750
compartmentalization

2139
01:42:56,150 --> 01:42:54,390
in the subject of UFOs everything's

2140
01:42:59,330 --> 01:42:56,160
compartment and and he had said this to

2141
01:43:01,100 --> 01:42:59,340
me many times over the years and he said

2142
01:43:03,860 --> 01:43:01,110
that it's a problem because if you're

2143
01:43:06,230 --> 01:43:03,870
trying scientifically to understand this

2144
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,240
phenomenon and you really want to get

2145
01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:08,400
the best minds involved it's difficult

2146
01:43:11,410 --> 01:43:10,020
because everything is so compartment and

2147
01:43:16,670 --> 01:43:11,420
no one's knows what each other's doing

2148
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:16,680
so he wanted to get expert opinions on

2149
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:19,530
advanced tech in a variety of fields but

2150
01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:22,050
he wasn't in a position to let these

2151
01:43:28,190 --> 01:43:25,110
individuals know why he wanted it so

2152
01:43:30,110 --> 01:43:28,200
what he did was to ask for what he

2153
01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:30,120
called unclassified white papers from

2154
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:32,310
experts around the world on their

2155
01:43:41,410 --> 01:43:34,890
particular areas and where those where

2156
01:43:48,830 --> 01:43:45,830
that was you and you gotta love it when

2157
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:48,840
Siri kicks in it happens to me here too

2158
01:43:56,210 --> 01:43:53,760
as well crazy I know yeah yeah what's

2159
01:43:58,370 --> 01:43:56,220
you saying that series not at the point

2160
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:58,380
of understanding black world technology

2161
01:44:03,950 --> 01:44:01,440
so that's good well see the thing is is

2162
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:03,960
the fact that you are talking about the

2163
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:06,330
CIA and NSA and we said top secret a

2164
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:08,370
couple of times it went straight to

2165
01:44:16,490 --> 01:44:11,150
their database but see this is the thing

2166
01:44:18,860 --> 01:44:16,500
Richard I was with and I found you know

2167
01:44:22,220 --> 01:44:18,870
the whole compartmentalize aspect of

2168
01:44:24,380 --> 01:44:22,230
this last week I was gonna mention this

2169
01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:24,390
to you this week over the phone I just

2170
01:44:28,940 --> 01:44:27,270
forgot but last week and don't ask me

2171
01:44:30,980 --> 01:44:28,950
how or where I don't want to give

2172
01:44:32,660 --> 01:44:30,990
anything away and it wasn't some top

2173
01:44:35,330 --> 01:44:32,670
secret thing there was a chance meeting

2174
01:44:39,230 --> 01:44:35,340
that I had with somebody in the Air

2175
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:39,240
Force right and so and he's got he's a

2176
01:44:43,820 --> 01:44:41,520
he's like a sergeant major right he's

2177
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:43,830
got all the stripes on you know he's you

2178
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:47,280
know distinctive guy he's in uniform in

2179
01:44:54,770 --> 01:44:50,940
fatigues and I said hey you know what do

2180
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:54,780
you do and and you know me I'm a loud

2181
01:45:00,290 --> 01:44:58,860
mouth guy and he says oh okay I don't

2182
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,300
want to get into it I don't want to give

2183
01:45:04,459 --> 01:45:02,400
his identity away but he dealt with

2184
01:45:06,380 --> 01:45:04,469
satellites okay okay

2185
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:06,390
which is basically what goes and there's

2186
01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:08,489
no air force bases here in Los Angeles

2187
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:13,020
so anyway I said hey you got a security

2188
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:15,210
clearance and he goes of course I didn't

2189
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:16,850
I said okay what do you have because uh

2190
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:19,290
well you really can't get into it but

2191
01:45:21,410 --> 01:45:20,699
let's just say I definitely have a

2192
01:45:23,660 --> 01:45:21,420
secret

2193
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:23,670
I said what's above that he goes top

2194
01:45:28,939 --> 01:45:26,460
secret and I said okay what's above that

2195
01:45:32,510 --> 01:45:28,949
he goes well nothing there's only one I

2196
01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:32,520
said okay what's above any clarification

2197
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:33,870
here and I told him I said I'm a radio

2198
01:45:39,470 --> 01:45:35,520
host I do this I do that or a lot of

2199
01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:39,480
line and and he goes okay

2200
01:45:45,140 --> 01:45:43,380
Yankee white I said Yankee white and he

2201
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,150
goes yeah that's it I said well what

2202
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:46,800
about a cue clearance he goes there's no

2203
01:45:51,740 --> 01:45:49,290
such thing I said well what about what

2204
01:45:54,290 --> 01:45:51,750
about what about and he'll tell come on

2205
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,300
man there is it because they're secret

2206
01:45:59,689 --> 01:45:56,880
there's top secret and Yankee white now

2207
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:59,699
when you get a top secret clearance what

2208
01:46:05,740 --> 01:46:02,880
you are exposed to is limited but there

2209
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:05,750
are no other clearances or

2210
01:46:10,910 --> 01:46:07,890
classifications it's either secret top

2211
01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:10,920
secret or Yankee white and I was like

2212
01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:13,590
really I just looked it up it's a

2213
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:15,239
security clearance given in the u.s. for

2214
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,800
personnel working with the president

2215
01:46:21,530 --> 01:46:17,840
that's right

2216
01:46:24,740 --> 01:46:21,540
houses right here yep yep and and I came

2217
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,750
back I was like Rita you gotta check

2218
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,880
this out right and so and I even told

2219
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:29,280
them I said it context that to me right

2220
01:46:33,530 --> 01:46:30,840
now and he goes hey man proceed at your

2221
01:46:37,220 --> 01:46:33,540
own risk right now okay so I texted

2222
01:46:38,959 --> 01:46:37,230
Yankee white to me but there you go and

2223
01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:38,969
I said so what do I do when somebody

2224
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:40,710
says hey you know I was in the Air Force

2225
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:42,690
and I had a Q clearance he because it

2226
01:46:48,110 --> 01:46:46,050
doesn't exist there's no such thing and

2227
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:48,120
he looked at me like you know and he had

2228
01:46:53,090 --> 01:46:50,070
nothing to hide I know it's just really

2229
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:53,100
really funny but yeah Yankee white so

2230
01:46:58,040 --> 01:46:53,730
there you go

2231
01:46:59,600 --> 01:46:58,050
breaking news on this show that's very

2232
01:47:00,320 --> 01:46:59,610
interesting now if you look at Q

2233
01:47:05,390 --> 01:47:00,330
clearance

2234
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:05,400
I mean even Wikipedia gives you Q access

2235
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:07,410
authorization as a do a department of

2236
01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:09,420
energy security clearance required to

2237
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:11,150
access top-secret restricted data

2238
01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:19,910
it does exist yeah I'm just I'm just

2239
01:47:27,770 --> 01:47:23,790
going with what I was told yeah yeah but

2240
01:47:29,630 --> 01:47:27,780
and and he was on the TV show Archer so

2241
01:47:33,169 --> 01:47:29,640
it's got to be true I know right it's on

2242
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:33,179
NCIS man I saw it there let me just

2243
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:37,320
finish this point on putt-off because I

2244
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:40,380
I think it's very significant like what

2245
01:47:47,149 --> 01:47:45,090
he did in this area in in soliciting

2246
01:47:49,010 --> 01:47:47,159
these papers what he actually did then

2247
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:49,020
he so he went to leading experts in

2248
01:47:54,050 --> 01:47:51,840
various fields around the world to get

2249
01:47:57,169 --> 01:47:54,060
their sense of what their field was or

2250
01:47:59,630 --> 01:47:57,179
would be like in 2050 as a general

2251
01:48:02,060 --> 01:47:59,640
survey of different futures in aerospace

2252
01:48:03,140 --> 01:48:02,070
and his reasoning was he felt this would

2253
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:03,150
be the best way to get the best

2254
01:48:06,860 --> 01:48:04,890
knowledge we had across all these

2255
01:48:09,380 --> 01:48:06,870
technologies without exposing why they

2256
01:48:11,450 --> 01:48:09,390
wanted to know it right so this is this

2257
01:48:15,169 --> 01:48:11,460
is how we operated any so we get at he

2258
01:48:19,310 --> 01:48:15,179
gets 38 contracts over a two-year period

2259
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:19,320
for these papers and there that's the

2260
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:23,360
that's the 38 so these were all cut offs

2261
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,760
initiative as his element as his part of

2262
01:48:31,130 --> 01:48:29,040
being a subcontractor to Bigelow who was

2263
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:31,140
subcontracting to the a tip program and

2264
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:35,520
the papers are are fascinating let me

2265
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:38,370
jump in Richard yeah is this what the 22

2266
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:40,170
million dollars was spent on

2267
01:48:48,979 --> 01:48:45,530
I don't know well maybe in theory part I

2268
01:48:50,510 --> 01:48:48,989
don't say 22 million dollars here but um

2269
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:50,520
I don't think these would cost 22

2270
01:48:55,459 --> 01:48:53,010
million dollars right these papers I

2271
01:48:57,169 --> 01:48:55,469
don't I don't know how much money was

2272
01:48:58,910 --> 01:48:57,179
expended on it but I would not think

2273
01:49:01,760 --> 01:48:58,920
it's significant amount of money but it

2274
01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:01,770
came out of that budget my understanding

2275
01:49:09,380 --> 01:49:04,230
is that most of that money went for

2276
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:09,390
study of of the skinwalker ranch that's

2277
01:49:14,959 --> 01:49:12,480
what I'm understanding which is offset

2278
01:49:16,820 --> 01:49:14,969
in this lecture by the way this is in

2279
01:49:21,020 --> 01:49:16,830
the Q&A section I watched this lecture

2280
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:21,030
very carefully he essentially stated

2281
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:22,320
without stating it that there were

2282
01:49:27,229 --> 01:49:24,840
multiple programs other than the a tip

2283
01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:27,239
like that was the tip of the iceberg as

2284
01:49:29,470 --> 01:49:28,500
it were there were lots of other

2285
01:49:32,890 --> 01:49:29,480
programs

2286
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:32,900
so what was revealed in the New York

2287
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:35,360
Times piece is do you remember you and I

2288
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:37,010
talked about this one that when the New

2289
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:39,260
York Times piece came out and I said I

2290
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:41,510
said that this is like cauterizing a

2291
01:49:45,970 --> 01:49:44,270
wound and I I think that I was exactly

2292
01:49:48,220 --> 01:49:45,980
right in other words the New York Times

2293
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:48,230
which is an organization in my view

2294
01:49:52,990 --> 01:49:50,150
never to be trusted as a news agency

2295
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:53,000
ever but they put out this what seems

2296
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,370
like a pretty good story on UFOs back in

2297
01:49:59,560 --> 01:49:57,440
December of 2017 and we were all

2298
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,570
thinking wow how did that happen well it

2299
01:50:04,300 --> 01:50:02,480
happened because in my view my opinion

2300
01:50:06,460 --> 01:50:04,310
why it happened is that they knew that

2301
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:06,470
story was going to come out because T

2302
01:50:11,500 --> 01:50:09,320
TSA was out putt-off was out there semi

2303
01:50:15,820 --> 01:50:11,510
van and Elizondo all were out there

2304
01:50:19,390 --> 01:50:15,830
talking this information about the

2305
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:19,400
tick-tack UFO and ultimately about these

2306
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:21,980
these programs and all of this the

2307
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:24,290
papers would have come out and I think

2308
01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:26,000
what the New York Times did was they put

2309
01:50:33,300 --> 01:50:29,830
out a story to make it as small as

2310
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:33,310
possible and I am NOT trying them align

2311
01:50:39,180 --> 01:50:36,320
Lesley Kane or the other journalists she

2312
01:50:41,770 --> 01:50:39,190
worked with okay but the fact is

2313
01:50:43,090 --> 01:50:41,780
journalists are not the final word on

2314
01:50:43,540 --> 01:50:43,100
these articles that come out in The

2315
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:43,550
Times

2316
01:50:47,710 --> 01:50:45,110
all right there's always editorial

2317
01:50:51,070 --> 01:50:47,720
oversight so that's how it works

2318
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:51,080
and I think what The Times piece was was

2319
01:50:58,300 --> 01:50:54,530
you let out as much as you have to when

2320
01:51:00,280 --> 01:50:58,310
the reality is so much more involved but

2321
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:00,290
back back to the significance of these

2322
01:51:05,410 --> 01:51:03,170
papers and is there one that stands out

2323
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:05,420
there's a bunch of them for me and some

2324
01:51:10,230 --> 01:51:07,370
of them I have I actually have the

2325
01:51:14,740 --> 01:51:10,240
reports you know of this too as well but

2326
01:51:16,270 --> 01:51:14,750
some of these are well yeah I I even

2327
01:51:18,820 --> 01:51:16,280
used the word science fiction with you

2328
01:51:23,710 --> 01:51:18,830
last year when you and I were exposed to

2329
01:51:27,220 --> 01:51:23,720
this but interesting reading what stands

2330
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:27,230
out for you here well the the most

2331
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:30,290
important thing cumulatively is why

2332
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:32,570
these papers were solicited and the

2333
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:35,710
reason is explicitly to understand

2334
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:38,450
potentially how what we would call UFO

2335
01:51:43,090 --> 01:51:40,910
technology operates all right because

2336
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:43,100
the fact was and I got this too

2337
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:44,930
directly in an email from from how

2338
01:51:49,660 --> 01:51:47,150
putt-off and he said you know I keep I

2339
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,670
can repeat it he just said the most

2340
01:51:53,050 --> 01:51:51,440
important thing this is his words it

2341
01:51:55,450 --> 01:51:53,060
seems to me is that based on the

2342
01:51:56,380 --> 01:51:55,460
technical sophistication of our military

2343
01:51:59,290 --> 01:51:56,390
platforms

2344
01:52:01,390 --> 01:51:59,300
the data concerning appearance of these

2345
01:52:03,190 --> 01:52:01,400
advanced technologies is no longer in

2346
01:52:05,710 --> 01:52:03,200
question let me just repeat that or

2347
01:52:08,410 --> 01:52:05,720
paraphrase it he's saying that because

2348
01:52:11,650 --> 01:52:08,420
of the technical sophistication of our

2349
01:52:15,190 --> 01:52:11,660
military platforms our ability to obtain

2350
01:52:18,340 --> 01:52:15,200
data on these anomalous objects is so

2351
01:52:20,740 --> 01:52:18,350
good now that the that the data about

2352
01:52:23,380 --> 01:52:20,750
them is no longer in question all right

2353
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,390
and then he says and in the absence of

2354
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,000
clear knowledge of intent of what these

2355
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:28,400
objects are doing it is a national

2356
01:52:34,810 --> 01:52:30,290
security priority to obtain the best

2357
01:52:38,260 --> 01:52:34,820
assessment possible so that that's why

2358
01:52:41,470 --> 01:52:38,270
this whole thing was initiated at least

2359
01:52:43,330 --> 01:52:41,480
his part of it and I I just have to say

2360
01:52:45,610 --> 01:52:43,340
you know this work that he did behind

2361
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:45,620
the scenes to get this type of

2362
01:52:52,660 --> 01:52:47,450
information I think is quite admirable

2363
01:52:55,390 --> 01:52:52,670
and important some of these titles like

2364
01:53:01,870 --> 01:52:55,400
number 5 advanced space propulsion based

2365
01:53:05,860 --> 01:53:01,880
on vacuum paper here so do ours it's

2366
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:05,870
fascinating space time metric and about

2367
01:53:11,890 --> 01:53:09,710
warping space-time yes right that's the

2368
01:53:16,930 --> 01:53:11,900
whole thing's like to to change the

2369
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:16,940
space-time metric means to bend space

2370
01:53:21,700 --> 01:53:19,730
and time are are unify their not unified

2371
01:53:25,060 --> 01:53:21,710
but they're interrelated they're not

2372
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:25,070
separate and so by perturbing it or by

2373
01:53:32,170 --> 01:53:29,360
warping it in some way you are creating

2374
01:53:34,570 --> 01:53:32,180
an ability to I guess we could say move

2375
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:34,580
through space in a way that's different

2376
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:38,330
from general propulsion and in a way

2377
01:53:42,460 --> 01:53:39,710
that makes the speed of light barrier

2378
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:42,470
incidentally kind of irrelevant and then

2379
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:45,920
there's uh for me really fascinating

2380
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:49,520
number 9 high-frequency gravitational

2381
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:54,159
wave communications by dr. Robert Baker

2382
01:54:02,270 --> 01:53:57,040
right like what is a gravitational wave

2383
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:02,280
communication these are highly advanced

2384
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,130
beyond next generation technologies as

2385
01:54:10,590 --> 01:54:07,840
Lou Elizondo put the UFOs themselves

2386
01:54:13,110 --> 01:54:10,600
beyond next generation and that's what

2387
01:54:14,820 --> 01:54:13,120
these are attempting to understand there

2388
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,830
are some criticisms by the mainstream

2389
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:16,719
scientific community that this is all

2390
01:54:20,580 --> 01:54:18,310
nonsense and a waste of taxpayer money

2391
01:54:22,169 --> 01:54:20,590
and I would just say I don't know where

2392
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:22,179
they're coming from but this is exactly

2393
01:54:27,300 --> 01:54:25,330
the opposite it's not a waste doing

2394
01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:27,310
these types of studies is is very very

2395
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:29,380
important and the real thing that you

2396
01:54:35,610 --> 01:54:32,050
know we wonder and I've never I've not

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01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:35,620
gotten an answer from cut off on this so

2398
01:54:41,129 --> 01:54:39,130
but is I mean I just have this idea this

2399
01:54:42,450 --> 01:54:41,139
feeling that obviously this is a

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01:54:45,450 --> 01:54:42,460
phenomenon that they have been dealing

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01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:45,460
with for 70 plus years all right this

2402
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:47,650
isn't like it didn't just appear with

2403
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:51,250
the tick tack UFO and I'm always a

2404
01:54:54,899 --> 01:54:53,290
little bit bemused when I hear people

2405
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:54,909
like Harry Reid just made a statement a

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01:54:59,550 --> 01:54:56,290
couple of weeks ago he's retired now

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01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,560
from the Senate but he goes out and yes

2408
01:55:03,090 --> 01:55:01,360
it's very good that he goes to the media

2409
01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:03,100
and says we need a congressional hearing

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01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:07,420
on UFOs great totally yes but they are

2411
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:10,239
all talking like well we don't know what

2412
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:12,610
these things are when in fact there's a

2413
01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:14,770
history of retrieval of crash UFOs

2414
01:55:19,110 --> 01:55:17,020
that's a pretty damn good history and

2415
01:55:20,879 --> 01:55:19,120
it's pretty clear-cut that we have

2416
01:55:22,820 --> 01:55:20,889
indeed recovered now one of the things

2417
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:22,830
as putt-off himself has talked about

2418
01:55:28,620 --> 01:55:26,110
retrieved materials and in fact one of

2419
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:28,630
the interesting things about his talk

2420
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:31,090
last summer was this conversation about

2421
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,570
the so called meta material and we don't

2422
01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:36,159
have to get into all the detail here but

2423
01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:38,440
it's it's quite fascinating you know

2424
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:42,040
this is a material that was obtained and

2425
01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:44,320
agreed there's no Providence there's no

2426
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:46,980
we have no idea how this thing appeared

2427
01:55:52,010 --> 01:55:48,370
nevertheless

2428
01:55:54,899 --> 01:55:52,020
so there's no chain of custody I guess

2429
01:55:57,959 --> 01:55:54,909
but it was sent I think years ago to art

2430
01:56:00,240 --> 01:55:57,969
Bell and so when would that have been in

2431
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,250
the 90s I suppose and it turned out to

2432
01:56:06,419 --> 01:56:02,800
be so unusual it was a multi-layered

2433
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:06,429
bismuth and magnesium sample the bismuth

2434
01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:07,810
layers were less than a

2435
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:11,110
and hair and the magnesium samples I

2436
01:56:14,850 --> 01:56:12,370
think he said with something like ten

2437
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,860
times the size of a human hair and just

2438
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:15,760
layer after layer

2439
01:56:19,530 --> 01:56:17,890
I mean unbelievably sophisticated

2440
01:56:23,970 --> 01:56:19,540
supposedly picked up in a crash

2441
01:56:26,610 --> 01:56:23,980
retrieval I think from the 40s actually

2442
01:56:28,670 --> 01:56:26,620
I think is what it was said so what he

2443
01:56:30,570 --> 01:56:28,680
said about this in his lecture is that

2444
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:30,580
for the longest time we didn't really

2445
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:32,590
even know like who could have made this

2446
01:56:38,250 --> 01:56:34,570
they tried to reproduce it they couldn't

2447
01:56:40,290 --> 01:56:38,260
get the layers to bond and when they

2448
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:40,300
talked to people in the field of

2449
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,770
material science who you would think

2450
01:56:45,870 --> 01:56:44,080
would know they didn't have any idea why

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01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:45,880
someone would want to make anything like

2452
01:56:49,890 --> 01:56:48,070
this it wasn't obvious as to what the

2453
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:49,900
function would be and and the

2454
01:56:56,910 --> 01:56:53,010
fascinating thing is decades later

2455
01:57:00,750 --> 01:56:56,920
finally he said our science has moved

2456
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:00,760
along and is beginning to catch up to

2457
01:57:07,890 --> 01:57:03,730
this and it's the area known as meta

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01:57:09,330 --> 01:57:07,900
materials and and he said like it turned

2459
01:57:11,130 --> 01:57:09,340
out exactly this combination of

2460
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,140
materials and exactly those dimensions

2461
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:13,440
turned out to be an excellent

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01:57:19,530 --> 01:57:16,960
microscopic waveguide for very high

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01:57:21,930 --> 01:57:19,540
frequency electromagnetic radiation

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terahertz frequencies and I heard that

2465
01:57:26,460 --> 01:57:23,470
I'm like what does that mean I know

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01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:26,470
right we're gonna head towards a break

2467
01:57:30,630 --> 01:57:28,330
and during the break I want you to think

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01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:30,640
about what I'm about to say there's also

2469
01:57:35,820 --> 01:57:31,990
a rumor

2470
01:57:38,970 --> 01:57:35,830
wink-wink that put off has got some

2471
01:57:42,330 --> 01:57:38,980
Rendlesham debris and they are analyzing

2472
01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:42,340
that so think about that now when we

2473
01:57:47,340 --> 01:57:44,110
come back Richard I want to know who's

2474
01:57:49,410 --> 01:57:47,350
reading these reports that's that's the

2475
01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:49,420
key here we'll talk about all of this

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01:57:51,450 --> 01:57:50,560
when we come back our guest tonight

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Richard Dolan

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welcome back painted black I mean you're

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight Richard

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Dolan great conversations and I always

2595
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expect that with Richard though he

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always delivers on the game changer

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Network and Kate GRA the planet you can

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follow me on twitter @ JT ready oh you

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can also follow Richard at rich Dolan I

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remember years ago rich you forgot that

2601
02:03:20,900 --> 02:03:17,400
you had a Twitter account I remember

2602
02:03:26,270 --> 02:03:20,910
yeah I think I do I don't really follow

2603
02:03:27,890 --> 02:03:26,280
it oh man one day it's gonna be a

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02:03:30,670 --> 02:03:27,900
Twitter world and it has certainly

2605
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:30,680
arrived ok Richard back to these reports

2606
02:03:36,620 --> 02:03:34,050
and also tonight I want to try to get in

2607
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,630
a little conversation about a project

2608
02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:38,400
Bluebook 2 as well I want to I want to

2609
02:03:43,250 --> 02:03:40,110
try to swing back in that direction but

2610
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:43,260
these reports are obviously important

2611
02:03:48,290 --> 02:03:46,560
but they're only worth anything if

2612
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:48,300
somebody's reading them who's reading

2613
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:50,400
these reports well they're not in the

2614
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:52,890
public domain by and large I think some

2615
02:03:58,040 --> 02:03:54,780
of them have leaked out some of them

2616
02:04:00,140 --> 02:03:58,050
have been published as genuine at white

2617
02:04:02,660 --> 02:04:00,150
papers and their fields peer-reviewed

2618
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:02,670
that type of thing what I learned is

2619
02:04:08,630 --> 02:04:04,110
most of them are just sitting in a

2620
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:08,640
defense server I think it's called the

2621
02:04:17,210 --> 02:04:10,620
Jay wicks server I had to look that up

2622
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:17,220
and it stands for joint weapons wait I'm

2623
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:19,050
looking for it here anyway it's in a

2624
02:04:23,570 --> 02:04:21,810
it's in a particular server I had it

2625
02:04:25,450 --> 02:04:23,580
right here and now here I can't find it

2626
02:04:28,190 --> 02:04:25,460
yeah our joint worldwide intelligence

2627
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:28,200
communications system so it's

2628
02:04:35,660 --> 02:04:30,770
technically on there technically

2629
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:35,670
unclassified so what that means is they

2630
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:37,290
are available through FOIA like you

2631
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:40,410
could you could get them I believe I

2632
02:04:44,330 --> 02:04:41,730
believe and I don't how many people have

2633
02:04:46,490 --> 02:04:44,340
really tried probably the simplest thing

2634
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:46,500
since the papers are now out the titles

2635
02:04:48,890 --> 02:04:47,490
are in the public domain you can

2636
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:48,900
probably just write to these people and

2637
02:04:54,770 --> 02:04:51,840
ask for them they very well might be

2638
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:54,780
able to do that but the only one that I

2639
02:04:59,450 --> 02:04:57,360
have a full copy of is is PUD offs

2640
02:05:02,120 --> 02:04:59,460
actual paper which believe it or not

2641
02:05:03,650 --> 02:05:02,130
I've read or at least you know without

2642
02:05:04,850 --> 02:05:03,660
the equations I can't really get to

2643
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:04,860
those but

2644
02:05:09,890 --> 02:05:06,810
fascinating but about engineering the

2645
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:09,900
bat the vacuum I just amazing stuff but

2646
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:12,900
who what's important here is if you're

2647
02:05:19,190 --> 02:05:16,290
gonna write the report and and study

2648
02:05:22,220 --> 02:05:19,200
these subjects well they need to be read

2649
02:05:24,110 --> 02:05:22,230
by the scientific community well yeah

2650
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:24,120
yeah yes the whole point of them of

2651
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:25,530
course is it for them to be read by the

2652
02:05:30,620 --> 02:05:27,810
military right right there's a reason

2653
02:05:33,770 --> 02:05:30,630
that they existed and the one thing that

2654
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:33,780
I can say he put off road to me and just

2655
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:37,050
said for the record it where is this now

2656
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:39,930
here he says these no here it is I'm

2657
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:41,760
told that this set of papers remains the

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02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:46,410
most accessed series to this date in the

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02:05:52,820 --> 02:05:50,250
in the Jay wakes server because of their

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02:05:54,890 --> 02:05:52,830
technical content they become the Bible

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02:05:58,280 --> 02:05:54,900
he says for technical people these

2662
02:06:01,430 --> 02:05:58,290
papers are very very highly regarded but

2663
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:01,440
the purpose of them was totally for

2664
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:04,110
military people to get a handle on UFO

2665
02:06:08,630 --> 02:06:05,850
tech however that doesn't mean that

2666
02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:08,640
these won't come out I think they need

2667
02:06:13,340 --> 02:06:10,370
to come out people need to understand

2668
02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:13,350
now there are speculative by their

2669
02:06:17,690 --> 02:06:15,030
nature but they seem to be highly

2670
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:17,700
regarded within within the military so I

2671
02:06:22,670 --> 02:06:20,130
mean hell here's one warp drive dark

2672
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:22,680
energy and the manipulation of extra

2673
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:24,690
dimensions I mean good grief and here we

2674
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:25,890
are you know the art field gets so

2675
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:31,110
worked up with stupid banal drama which

2676
02:06:35,630 --> 02:06:33,570
by the way look when there are bad

2677
02:06:38,300 --> 02:06:35,640
things that happened in this field it's

2678
02:06:41,180 --> 02:06:38,310
very important to call it out so don't

2679
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:41,190
get me wrong there but the fact is that

2680
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:44,400
there's so much of substance in the

2681
02:06:49,670 --> 02:06:47,370
field of UFO research that is right

2682
02:06:52,460 --> 02:06:49,680
there right there in front of us begging

2683
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:52,470
to be discussed and I just think that

2684
02:06:55,460 --> 02:06:54,810
we're better served by focusing on the

2685
02:06:58,280 --> 02:06:55,470
substance

2686
02:07:01,700 --> 02:06:58,290
well no Eric Dave is very prolific very

2687
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:01,710
smart guy and the DIA

2688
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:05,360
and their servers has a report titled

2689
02:07:12,140 --> 02:07:08,610
transversal wormholes stargates and

2690
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:12,150
negative energy right what's that all

2691
02:07:16,350 --> 02:07:15,210
about what's that Star Trek Deep Space

2692
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:16,360
nine

2693
02:07:21,780 --> 02:07:19,810
exactly exactly except that they're

2694
02:07:25,230 --> 02:07:21,790
talking about it for real and again

2695
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:25,240
speculative but but science I would

2696
02:07:27,900 --> 02:07:25,810
assume

2697
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:27,910
anyways scientifically sound speculation

2698
02:07:36,180 --> 02:07:32,590
and a roadmap for future directions very

2699
02:07:38,010 --> 02:07:36,190
possibly the the list is is about as

2700
02:07:39,780 --> 02:07:38,020
fascinating as it gets I put it out

2701
02:07:41,670 --> 02:07:39,790
there on Twitter and everybody can go

2702
02:07:43,850 --> 02:07:41,680
and access the server it's it's all

2703
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:43,860
right here and by the way you mentioned

2704
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:46,000
the rumors about the Rendlesham

2705
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:47,770
something when the renders from being

2706
02:07:52,290 --> 02:07:49,810
studied by earth Tech I don't know about

2707
02:07:54,090 --> 02:07:52,300
that but one of the papers paper number

2708
02:07:57,810 --> 02:07:54,100
twelve by dr. Kip green who's another

2709
02:08:00,450 --> 02:07:57,820
very famous individual longtime CIA his

2710
02:08:03,210 --> 02:08:00,460
paper is on field effects on biological

2711
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:03,220
tissues and I mentioned Rendlesham

2712
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:05,410
because of course famously there have

2713
02:08:11,250 --> 02:08:07,210
been people and involved in that case

2714
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:11,260
who have suffered damage to biological

2715
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:13,930
tissues and this is a very very

2716
02:08:18,750 --> 02:08:17,110
well-known thing and so I and you know

2717
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:18,760
you get this in the condign report from

2718
02:08:22,980 --> 02:08:20,650
the late 1990s that also was

2719
02:08:25,890 --> 02:08:22,990
Declassified and from what I understand

2720
02:08:29,900 --> 02:08:25,900
almost accidentally Declassified in the

2721
02:08:33,300 --> 02:08:29,910
early 2000s that report talked about

2722
02:08:36,270 --> 02:08:33,310
biological effects from these UAP on

2723
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:36,280
human beings so here we have a paper by

2724
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:39,450
doctor kit green on field effects on

2725
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:42,850
biological tissues what do we do Richard

2726
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:44,320
you've been writing about this and

2727
02:08:51,450 --> 02:08:47,530
studying this for so long now what do we

2728
02:08:54,660 --> 02:08:51,460
do with guys like kit green and and semi

2729
02:08:58,380 --> 02:08:54,670
van and and others you know justice

2730
02:09:04,310 --> 02:08:58,390
where their affiliations that even goes

2731
02:09:07,260 --> 02:09:04,320
to lewis Elizondo to as well where they

2732
02:09:10,290 --> 02:09:07,270
their associations with directly with

2733
02:09:13,020 --> 02:09:10,300
with the CIA and with the DIA for years

2734
02:09:15,690 --> 02:09:13,030
and years and years and suddenly we are

2735
02:09:18,780 --> 02:09:15,700
being forced into a position of trust

2736
02:09:21,630 --> 02:09:18,790
here and that now we need to accept what

2737
02:09:23,190 --> 02:09:21,640
they are putting out there what do we do

2738
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:23,200
with that i mean yeah i mean the CIA

2739
02:09:27,660 --> 02:09:25,570
obviously has a long long history of

2740
02:09:28,569 --> 02:09:27,670
some really diabolical things that it

2741
02:09:31,879 --> 02:09:28,579
does

2742
02:09:34,819 --> 02:09:31,889
whether it's regime change or MKULTRA

2743
02:09:36,379 --> 02:09:34,829
mind control or you know any number of

2744
02:09:39,439 --> 02:09:36,389
other things that are just horrible

2745
02:09:43,069 --> 02:09:39,449
rendition programs that's what the CIA

2746
02:09:45,050 --> 02:09:43,079
is done and the CIA is is not this you

2747
02:09:48,290 --> 02:09:45,060
know I mean the of course the corporate

2748
02:09:50,780 --> 02:09:48,300
media now is portraying the CIA as you

2749
02:09:54,319 --> 02:09:50,790
know these angels which they're anything

2750
02:09:55,939 --> 02:09:54,329
but having said that it's a truism and

2751
02:09:57,770 --> 02:09:55,949
you know people say this all the time

2752
02:10:00,020 --> 02:09:57,780
that there are always good people in all

2753
02:10:02,180 --> 02:10:00,030
of these organizations it's really true

2754
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:02,190
there aren't they're not and people

2755
02:10:05,540 --> 02:10:04,079
aren't themselves evil all the time when

2756
02:10:07,879 --> 02:10:05,550
they work for these the organization's

2757
02:10:09,649 --> 02:10:07,889
do terrible things I don't know the

2758
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:09,659
other end of individuals personally but

2759
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:11,730
I do know cut off personally and I

2760
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:14,610
absolutely believe he's a good guy

2761
02:10:18,890 --> 02:10:16,560
I don't believe he's on the bad side and

2762
02:10:22,660 --> 02:10:18,900
you know was gonna convince me otherwise

2763
02:10:24,290 --> 02:10:22,670
I've had too many meaningful

2764
02:10:26,780 --> 02:10:24,300
conversations with them to think

2765
02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:26,790
otherwise but in this case though what

2766
02:10:33,709 --> 02:10:30,750
we're dealing with is that these people

2767
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:33,719
are allowed to give out the information

2768
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:36,329
that they're giving and the question

2769
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:38,610
that we want to ask is why are they are

2770
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:42,000
they allowed now to do it is the whole

2771
02:10:47,959 --> 02:10:45,210
thing the whole thing should we should

2772
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:47,969
we allow some time to pass here before

2773
02:10:57,939 --> 02:10:55,050
we go into you know a trust the thing is

2774
02:11:00,080 --> 02:10:57,949
if they're releasing information then we

2775
02:11:02,839 --> 02:11:00,090
can have the opportunity to look at that

2776
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:02,849
information so if they're making state

2777
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:04,079
if you have a guy like putt-off who's

2778
02:11:10,609 --> 02:11:07,199
saying the UAP phenomenon is so

2779
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,619
significant that we are we had contracts

2780
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:13,199
for 38 high-level speculative papers on

2781
02:11:19,970 --> 02:11:16,290
UFO tech that is significant that's an

2782
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:19,980
that's a significant admission that we

2783
02:11:23,839 --> 02:11:22,170
can then work with and then move on it

2784
02:11:24,379 --> 02:11:23,849
has nothing to do with trust oh I think

2785
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:24,389
it does

2786
02:11:32,030 --> 02:11:28,320
and let me tell you why tell me why ok

2787
02:11:36,319 --> 02:11:32,040
ok it's this simple the CIA comes

2788
02:11:39,470 --> 02:11:36,329
knocking on your door at your home right

2789
02:11:41,510 --> 02:11:39,480
there the Dolan house it's not because

2790
02:11:42,049 --> 02:11:41,520
they want to be friends and take you out

2791
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:42,059
to dinner

2792
02:11:48,350 --> 02:11:45,570
there is a serious issue going on here

2793
02:11:51,770 --> 02:11:48,360
and it's not on the good side

2794
02:11:55,010 --> 02:11:51,780
and so here leave that generic statement

2795
02:11:57,379 --> 02:11:55,020
it is it and look if the CIA is involved

2796
02:11:59,870 --> 02:11:57,389
in your life then you got some issues

2797
02:12:02,629 --> 02:11:59,880
and what I am trying to say and it's not

2798
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:02,639
for it it's not good issues but what I'm

2799
02:12:08,089 --> 02:12:05,730
trying to say here is this now when

2800
02:12:11,689 --> 02:12:08,099
we're dealing with the UFO subject and

2801
02:12:14,750 --> 02:12:11,699
suddenly the CIA is and members of the

2802
02:12:17,390 --> 02:12:14,760
CIA xci are suddenly in this community

2803
02:12:20,060 --> 02:12:17,400
being our friends we need to take a step

2804
02:12:22,660 --> 02:12:20,070
back and not embrace who said anything

2805
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:22,670
about friends certainly not me

2806
02:12:26,479 --> 02:12:24,719
motivation everyone's got motivations

2807
02:12:28,810 --> 02:12:26,489
I'm seeing image everyone's got

2808
02:12:31,790 --> 02:12:28,820
motivations and there's they're not all

2809
02:12:32,779 --> 02:12:31,800
your motivations or my motivations but

2810
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:32,789
that's irrelevant

2811
02:12:37,700 --> 02:12:35,010
what matters is what is the information

2812
02:12:40,129 --> 02:12:37,710
that they are providing us at this time

2813
02:12:42,260 --> 02:12:40,139
and is it actionable is it can it be

2814
02:12:45,770 --> 02:12:42,270
fact-checked can it be investigated and

2815
02:12:48,740 --> 02:12:45,780
if it's new information then hell let's

2816
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:48,750
look at that information and as I'm

2817
02:12:53,180 --> 02:12:50,400
seeing it anyway from where I'm sitting

2818
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:53,190
this is new information and it's worth

2819
02:12:57,859 --> 02:12:55,650
knowing so I consider it significant

2820
02:12:59,240 --> 02:12:57,869
just does he have his own motivations

2821
02:13:02,450 --> 02:12:59,250
does he want to make a trillion dollars

2822
02:13:06,799 --> 02:13:02,460
on the leading edge technology tell if I

2823
02:13:08,510 --> 02:13:06,809
know maybe so no yeah that's what I care

2824
02:13:11,149 --> 02:13:08,520
about it sure what is the information

2825
02:13:13,490 --> 02:13:11,159
we're getting yeah that's not yeah yeah

2826
02:13:16,339 --> 02:13:13,500
I'm not even going down that road people

2827
02:13:18,589 --> 02:13:16,349
are getting very worked up over whatever

2828
02:13:21,109 --> 02:13:18,599
motivations they they divine or

2829
02:13:23,060 --> 02:13:21,119
happening here and that's fine you want

2830
02:13:25,370 --> 02:13:23,070
to know motivations but I I'm going to

2831
02:13:27,020 --> 02:13:25,380
suggest that we're at a point in our

2832
02:13:27,890 --> 02:13:27,030
conversation it's not just about this

2833
02:13:30,140 --> 02:13:27,900
it's about everything

2834
02:13:31,339 --> 02:13:30,150
we're motivations our scene is more

2835
02:13:34,010 --> 02:13:31,349
important than the actual information

2836
02:13:35,899 --> 02:13:34,020
that's a bad place to be in right you

2837
02:13:38,359 --> 02:13:35,909
want to be you got to remind yourself

2838
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:38,369
what actually matters what matters is

2839
02:13:42,919 --> 02:13:40,730
the data what matters is the information

2840
02:13:45,260 --> 02:13:42,929
we think these are all good guys of

2841
02:13:48,500 --> 02:13:45,270
course not I don't think that what I

2842
02:13:49,970 --> 02:13:48,510
don't care what I'm caring about is what

2843
02:13:52,609 --> 02:13:49,980
are they telling us that we can learn

2844
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:52,619
and the answer I think at least in this

2845
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:55,170
case is a lot and and put off in

2846
02:13:58,490 --> 02:13:55,770
particular

2847
02:14:01,220 --> 02:13:58,500
is someone worth listening to as

2848
02:14:03,290 --> 02:14:01,230
carefully as you can listen he's worth

2849
02:14:08,180 --> 02:14:03,300
he's worth the attention yeah I'm hoping

2850
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:08,190
that in this is my take is that we need

2851
02:14:18,080 --> 02:14:12,480
to allow some time to pass here before

2852
02:14:20,420 --> 02:14:18,090
we get too too too friendly and in

2853
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:20,430
accepting in two years from now we can

2854
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:21,690
look back well it's something of what

2855
02:14:25,670 --> 02:14:23,520
though like I'm just gonna ask you what

2856
02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:25,680
what do you mean like accepting that

2857
02:14:32,510 --> 02:14:28,650
these 38 papers exist yeah why why

2858
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:32,520
exactly why why leak this why release

2859
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:35,130
this why release any of this information

2860
02:14:41,780 --> 02:14:38,250
over the last year why do any of that

2861
02:14:44,780 --> 02:14:41,790
why bring Luis Elizondo forward why do

2862
02:14:48,770 --> 02:14:44,790
any of this so sudden

2863
02:14:50,990 --> 02:14:48,780
you know and and that's that's a you

2864
02:14:54,200 --> 02:14:51,000
know justice is impossible here's one

2865
02:14:55,850 --> 02:14:54,210
scenario is it possible that there are

2866
02:14:58,670 --> 02:14:55,860
people in the intelligence community who

2867
02:15:01,400 --> 02:14:58,680
have had their own experiences who

2868
02:15:05,260 --> 02:15:01,410
personally believe that the subject is

2869
02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:05,270
worthy of public discourse and who are

2870
02:15:10,730 --> 02:15:07,890
using whatever levers that they have

2871
02:15:13,220 --> 02:15:10,740
limited though they are to move this

2872
02:15:15,620 --> 02:15:13,230
issue forward is that a possibility it

2873
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:15,630
is a possibility yeah it is maybe maybe

2874
02:15:19,730 --> 02:15:17,370
that's a reasonable assumption to work

2875
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:19,740
off of and if someone can disprove that

2876
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:22,610
possibility fine if they've got a

2877
02:15:27,110 --> 02:15:25,110
multi-billion dollar you know Austin

2878
02:15:30,020 --> 02:15:27,120
Powers control the world type of agenda

2879
02:15:32,860 --> 02:15:30,030
then fine we can figure out what that is

2880
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:32,870
but for me what I would say is

2881
02:15:37,190 --> 02:15:34,800
motivations are important you want to

2882
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:37,200
know them but don't let's not lose sight

2883
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,320
over the information that is being

2884
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,480
released whether they are the tic-tac

2885
02:15:46,940 --> 02:15:45,360
video or the other videos that people

2886
02:15:50,330 --> 02:15:46,950
that love to argue about are they legit

2887
02:15:51,590 --> 02:15:50,340
are they not legit or the data that

2888
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:51,600
they're putting out the studies that

2889
02:15:58,970 --> 02:15:54,840
were you know George Knapp I think it

2890
02:16:00,890 --> 02:15:58,980
was earlier in the year in 2018 got an

2891
02:16:03,980 --> 02:16:00,900
in-depth report this is clearly out of

2892
02:16:05,770 --> 02:16:03,990
out of Bigelow's the subcontractor for

2893
02:16:08,810 --> 02:16:05,780
the tic-tac and they're talking about

2894
02:16:09,259 --> 02:16:08,820
the the AAV was not something that

2895
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:09,269
belong

2896
02:16:12,669 --> 02:16:11,010
to the US or any other nation so

2897
02:16:14,989 --> 02:16:12,679
advanced it rendered our capabilities

2898
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:14,999
ineffective obsolete like these

2899
02:16:20,929 --> 02:16:18,089
statements are now coming out so those

2900
02:16:22,669 --> 02:16:20,939
are important statements like in other

2901
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:22,679
words what we're getting is a kind of

2902
02:16:28,279 --> 02:16:25,679
drip drip of confirmation of this

2903
02:16:31,579 --> 02:16:28,289
phenomenon and it's happening right

2904
02:16:35,919 --> 02:16:31,589
before our eyes and I'm just saying let

2905
02:16:39,379 --> 02:16:35,929
us not lose sight of this significant

2906
02:16:42,139 --> 02:16:39,389
development in our history yeah it's the

2907
02:16:44,269 --> 02:16:42,149
CIA we all know that we all know that we

2908
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:44,279
can't trust everything that they do but

2909
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:48,000
the fact is these statements are coming

2910
02:16:51,889 --> 02:16:50,250
out about these navies as they're

2911
02:16:54,769 --> 02:16:51,899
calling them anomalous hairy vehicles

2912
02:16:57,049 --> 02:16:54,779
being unlike anything that that we have

2913
02:16:59,599 --> 02:16:57,059
which by the way behind the scenes

2914
02:17:01,519 --> 02:16:59,609
quietly these people have been talking

2915
02:17:03,740 --> 02:17:01,529
about for years and decades like

2916
02:17:07,479 --> 02:17:03,750
everyone knows this everyone knows that

2917
02:17:12,129 --> 02:17:07,489
they've they've been confronting a

2918
02:17:15,969 --> 02:17:12,139
phenomenon that they can't duplicate and

2919
02:17:18,109 --> 02:17:15,979
so now we're getting statements very

2920
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:18,119
much along these lines that are saying

2921
02:17:23,149 --> 02:17:20,250
this except now that they're coming out

2922
02:17:24,979 --> 02:17:23,159
in the public so this is a significant

2923
02:17:27,469 --> 02:17:24,989
thing it's an important development and

2924
02:17:29,269 --> 02:17:27,479
this is why I think the scientific

2925
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:29,279
studies and by the way it's not just

2926
02:17:34,219 --> 02:17:30,719
putt-off talking about this there's a

2927
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,229
great YouTube video by dr. Jack Sarfati

2928
02:17:39,529 --> 02:17:36,719
just from a month or so ago where he is

2929
02:17:42,889 --> 02:17:39,539
talking about the physics of the tic-tac

2930
02:17:45,709 --> 02:17:42,899
UFO and I highly recommend it to people

2931
02:17:48,379 --> 02:17:45,719
who are not professional physicists he

2932
02:17:50,809 --> 02:17:48,389
does a very very fine job of explaining

2933
02:17:53,059 --> 02:17:50,819
the physics of how these objects

2934
02:17:55,609 --> 02:17:53,069
possibly work and he also is talking

2935
02:17:57,379 --> 02:17:55,619
about the meta materials and how they

2936
02:18:00,769 --> 02:17:57,389
serve essentially as a kind of a

2937
02:18:02,660 --> 02:18:00,779
waveguide - as he calls it soften the

2938
02:18:04,519 --> 02:18:02,670
space-time boundary around the capsule

2939
02:18:06,879 --> 02:18:04,529
around the object it's just fascinating

2940
02:18:09,950 --> 02:18:06,889
so in other words the scientific

2941
02:18:13,459 --> 02:18:09,960
conversations are moving forward on this

2942
02:18:15,559 --> 02:18:13,469
and that's the kind of that's what we

2943
02:18:17,029 --> 02:18:15,569
got to keep our eyes on you know that

2944
02:18:19,009 --> 02:18:17,039
information is coming out and the

2945
02:18:23,189 --> 02:18:19,019
science is being discussed in a

2946
02:18:27,570 --> 02:18:23,199
sophisticated way if I if I sat down

2947
02:18:31,410 --> 02:18:27,580
with melon or justice or Elizondo or or

2948
02:18:34,169 --> 02:18:31,420
hal right and our kid green or semi van

2949
02:18:36,269 --> 02:18:34,179
i sat down with all of them sitting in

2950
02:18:38,519 --> 02:18:36,279
front of me I would I would make the

2951
02:18:43,709 --> 02:18:38,529
same general statement to all of them

2952
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:43,719
either either you have you know that

2953
02:18:50,759 --> 02:18:47,050
this is off world you know this as a

2954
02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:50,769
fact or you don't but don't but don't

2955
02:18:56,519 --> 02:18:53,920
don't run down the middle and say if we

2956
02:18:58,889 --> 02:18:56,529
need to investigate we need to do this

2957
02:19:01,769 --> 02:18:58,899
is all public public consumption I'm

2958
02:19:03,719 --> 02:19:01,779
certain right right now and I'm not I'm

2959
02:19:05,939 --> 02:19:03,729
not officially speaking for anyone but

2960
02:19:08,820 --> 02:19:05,949
I'm just gonna say they know of course

2961
02:19:09,950 --> 02:19:08,830
they know of course they know they know

2962
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:09,960
it's real

2963
02:19:13,379 --> 02:19:12,010
someone's here that's not supposed to be

2964
02:19:15,330 --> 02:19:13,389
here that's not part of our civilization

2965
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:15,340
yeah of course they have to know that

2966
02:19:20,490 --> 02:19:17,920
and in fact if you really go into put

2967
02:19:24,179 --> 02:19:20,500
offs speech last summer he's basically

2968
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:24,189
saying that you know he's saying that

2969
02:19:31,339 --> 02:19:28,409
all but saying it's extraterrestrial

2970
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:31,349
just read read the statement carefully

2971
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:34,290
Steve Bassett put out a very nice

2972
02:19:40,439 --> 02:19:38,290
synopsis and I guess you could say trans

2973
02:19:43,919 --> 02:19:40,449
translation or transliteration or of

2974
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:43,929
cutoffs speech so it's available for

2975
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:46,960
people to read on a paradigm research

2976
02:19:52,290 --> 02:19:51,040
Bassets website and it's you know it's

2977
02:19:54,599 --> 02:19:52,300
very very straightforward like these

2978
02:19:55,979 --> 02:19:54,609
people clearly believe that it's

2979
02:19:57,660 --> 02:19:55,989
extraterrestrial but they're also in a

2980
02:19:59,309 --> 02:19:57,670
position it's like read is in a position

2981
02:20:01,920 --> 02:19:59,319
where he's got to say like well we don't

2982
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:01,930
really know what it is they have to know

2983
02:20:04,920 --> 02:20:02,409
what it is

2984
02:20:09,719 --> 02:20:04,930
this phenomenon has has been in their

2985
02:20:11,519 --> 02:20:09,729
face for 70 plus years now so but

2986
02:20:15,780 --> 02:20:11,529
they're also dealing with a corporate

2987
02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:15,790
media establishment that's you know you

2988
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:17,890
you don't just go say this from the

2989
02:20:22,170 --> 02:20:19,510
rooftops saying yeah it's real they're

2990
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:22,180
here people big you know Robert Bigelow

2991
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:23,920
says having a few other people say that

2992
02:20:28,320 --> 02:20:26,080
but most of these guys they're not going

2993
02:20:30,719 --> 02:20:28,330
to say that explicitly so they they play

2994
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,729
it safe they play the game with the

2995
02:20:35,140 --> 02:20:33,040
media with the public and that's how it

2996
02:20:38,140 --> 02:20:35,150
works yeah yeah

2997
02:20:41,170 --> 02:20:38,150
I I don't understand it when when we

2998
02:20:45,130 --> 02:20:41,180
look at well I understand the POTUS or

2999
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:45,140
or world you know state you know leaders

3000
02:20:52,330 --> 02:20:49,970
I understand their position on it I wish

3001
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:52,340
that their position was different but if

3002
02:21:00,160 --> 02:20:57,200
I as somebody that is not running a

3003
02:21:04,060 --> 02:21:00,170
country if I'm somebody else if I'm the

3004
02:21:06,430 --> 02:21:04,070
melon or if I am in Elizondo or a

3005
02:21:08,261 --> 02:21:06,440
justice if I'm any of these and I have

3006
02:21:12,130 --> 02:21:08,271
the the definitive proof

3007
02:21:14,020 --> 02:21:12,140
I'm the martyr you know what maybe what

3008
02:21:15,730 --> 02:21:14,030
No none of those guys want to be martyrs

3009
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:15,740
now I had a conversation once with

3010
02:21:19,570 --> 02:21:17,690
someone this wasn't with upon off it was

3011
02:21:21,940 --> 02:21:19,580
someone else but who had classified

3012
02:21:24,490 --> 02:21:21,950
background and just said to me you know

3013
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:24,500
I know for a fact this is real and I was

3014
02:21:28,120 --> 02:21:26,210
briefed and I have this such-and-such

3015
02:21:30,460 --> 02:21:28,130
information about the reality of this

3016
02:21:35,860 --> 02:21:30,470
phenomenon and bodies and so forth and

3017
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:35,870
and it was very obvious was they were

3018
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:37,370
not in a position where they felt they

3019
02:21:41,261 --> 02:21:39,050
could talk about it he said like look if

3020
02:21:42,970 --> 02:21:41,271
I go to the New York Times right and

3021
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:42,980
talk about this a are they going to

3022
02:21:46,690 --> 02:21:45,200
publish it be if they do it'll be traced

3023
02:21:49,060 --> 02:21:46,700
right back to me and I lose every

3024
02:21:51,430 --> 02:21:49,070
clearance I ever had and I lose my

3025
02:21:54,370 --> 02:21:51,440
career in my profession so what aside

3026
02:21:56,920 --> 02:21:54,380
from aside from maybe going to prison so

3027
02:21:58,570 --> 02:21:56,930
why does that information well everyone

3028
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:58,580
wants to be a martyr yeah but you would

3029
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:01,280
be the most famous person ever for the

3030
02:22:06,610 --> 02:22:04,370
rest of the the time of the universe you

3031
02:22:07,810 --> 02:22:06,620
know and that's the truth you'd have to

3032
02:22:10,420 --> 02:22:07,820
be able to prove it

3033
02:22:12,370 --> 02:22:10,430
okay so these are difficult things like

3034
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:12,380
it's not the easiest position to be in

3035
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:16,160
okay Dolan you go to a right path you

3036
02:22:20,620 --> 02:22:18,650
get taken down eight floors below and

3037
02:22:22,060 --> 02:22:20,630
you walk in and you look at the saucer

3038
02:22:24,341 --> 02:22:22,070
and then they walk by and they go check

3039
02:22:25,450 --> 02:22:24,351
it out here some uniforms that's an ET

3040
02:22:27,310 --> 02:22:25,460
over there in the tank

3041
02:22:28,841 --> 02:22:27,320
check this out here's their badges

3042
02:22:31,900 --> 02:22:28,851
here's this who's it and you turn around

3043
02:22:33,490 --> 02:22:31,910
and you slip into your pocket the

3044
02:22:35,470 --> 02:22:33,500
evidence right and you get out and

3045
02:22:38,350 --> 02:22:35,480
you're done you're a free man

3046
02:22:43,240 --> 02:22:38,360
you get off of the base do you go public

3047
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:43,250
I would if I yes I would if I felt that

3048
02:22:47,020 --> 02:22:44,960
the evidence I acquired would be

3049
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:47,030
sufficient to convince the world yeah is

3050
02:22:50,051 --> 02:22:48,650
it's a laser gun

3051
02:22:52,060 --> 02:22:50,061
you know you know what I mean but but

3052
02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:52,070
I'm on portable that's such a fantasy

3053
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:56,090
situation but if it did I'm saying not

3054
02:22:59,980 --> 02:22:58,010
something that's really realistic or

3055
02:23:02,140 --> 02:22:59,990
even would you go public do you have the

3056
02:23:04,060 --> 02:23:02,150
press conference of course you do yeah

3057
02:23:06,430 --> 02:23:04,070
all right so what's the difference

3058
02:23:08,650 --> 02:23:06,440
between any of these other cats you know

3059
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:08,660
there's nothing I mean why can't get

3060
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:10,160
inside their head I can't speak with him

3061
02:23:13,630 --> 02:23:11,930
I don't know what I don't know most of

3062
02:23:16,420 --> 02:23:13,640
them so I wouldn't really be able to

3063
02:23:18,190 --> 02:23:16,430
tell you we got there they got their

3064
02:23:19,150 --> 02:23:18,200
motivations they're worried about their

3065
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:19,160
kids they're worried about their

3066
02:23:23,020 --> 02:23:20,690
retirement who the hell knows they

3067
02:23:25,390 --> 02:23:23,030
they've got their they don't want to get

3068
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:25,400
into trouble whatever it is put off said

3069
02:23:30,130 --> 02:23:27,920
in his lecture he says look I'm able to

3070
02:23:32,290 --> 02:23:30,140
talk about this element of it because I

3071
02:23:34,660 --> 02:23:32,300
can finally do it talk about the details

3072
02:23:37,511 --> 02:23:34,670
and not go to jail like that's actually

3073
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:37,521
literally what he said this is the first

3074
02:23:40,990 --> 02:23:38,960
chance he had to appear before the

3075
02:23:42,250 --> 02:23:41,000
public and talk about the details of the

3076
02:23:44,290 --> 02:23:42,260
program and not go to jail

3077
02:23:47,790 --> 02:23:44,300
can you imagine their kids you would be

3078
02:23:52,301 --> 02:23:47,800
the most rockin dude in school your dad

3079
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,311
your dad exposed UFOs to us you would be

3080
02:23:57,070 --> 02:23:54,800
how can you imagine the senior prom well

3081
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:57,080
my kids when they were teenagers

3082
02:24:00,940 --> 02:23:58,840
certainly didn't get any benefit from

3083
02:24:02,801 --> 02:24:00,950
from having their dad as a UFO

3084
02:24:04,261 --> 02:24:02,811
researcher except some of their friends

3085
02:24:07,301 --> 02:24:04,271
thought it was cool I will just say that

3086
02:24:10,301 --> 02:24:07,311
but yeah yeah my daughters have no

3087
02:24:12,250 --> 02:24:10,311
benefit for my career for sure I wanted

3088
02:24:16,030 --> 02:24:12,260
to talk about you do you want to hang on

3089
02:24:17,230 --> 02:24:16,040
and talk about Project Blue Book it's a

3090
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:17,240
little late here in the East Coast but

3091
02:24:22,990 --> 02:24:20,090
I'm gonna oh she's looking at me and I'm

3092
02:24:25,180 --> 02:24:23,000
just gonna say up yeah Tracy go make him

3093
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:25,190
a shot of espresso let's let's do this

3094
02:24:30,580 --> 02:24:28,160
the right way yeah I do I do want to

3095
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:30,590
talk about that and the reason that the

3096
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:32,570
blue book series I'm yeah yeah and the

3097
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:36,530
reason why I want to go into it in depth

3098
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:41,690
is I think that the the liberties that

3099
02:24:45,580 --> 02:24:43,610
the writers are taking on the show and

3100
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:45,590
the producers on the show which is fine

3101
02:24:54,250 --> 02:24:50,720
but they are seriously tarnishing allen

3102
02:24:57,250 --> 02:24:54,260
hynek's life and legacy and and i don't

3103
02:24:58,720 --> 02:24:57,260
dig that part of it and yeah i don't

3104
02:25:01,060 --> 02:24:58,730
agree with all the liberties that have

3105
02:25:02,770 --> 02:25:01,070
been taken we're at a point where it's

3106
02:25:04,750 --> 02:25:02,780
I understand how these Hollywood people

3107
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:04,760
operate I'm we've we've met enough of

3108
02:25:09,700 --> 02:25:06,560
them you know like they're not they're

3109
02:25:11,320 --> 02:25:09,710
not UFO people although the Creator is

3110
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:11,330
deaf I spoke with him he's a great guy

3111
02:25:14,890 --> 02:25:13,280
he's really into the UFO phenomenon for

3112
02:25:16,420 --> 02:25:14,900
real but the problem is when these

3113
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:16,430
projects get into Hollywood like

3114
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,410
everyone else takes over and they they

3115
02:25:22,270 --> 02:25:20,000
think that they have the right idea and

3116
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:22,280
let's dramatize and it's one thing to

3117
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:24,650
change certain peripheral things to fit

3118
02:25:28,180 --> 02:25:26,210
Allen Hynek into all these different

3119
02:25:31,780 --> 02:25:28,190
stories that he didn't really appear in

3120
02:25:33,610 --> 02:25:31,790
in real life but yeah there are a lot of

3121
02:25:36,670 --> 02:25:33,620
liberties and and honestly we're at a

3122
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:36,680
point with the UFO subject where people

3123
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:38,090
don't they don't need the

3124
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:40,970
fictionalization the real stories of

3125
02:25:46,210 --> 02:25:44,240
these cases are absolutely fascinating

3126
02:25:49,690 --> 02:25:46,220
like you could do a genuine

3127
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:49,700
dramatization of the true story with

3128
02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:52,970
minimal damage and do real justice to it

3129
02:25:57,960 --> 02:25:55,610
because the real stories are fascinating

3130
02:26:00,520 --> 02:25:57,970
I mean they're not all as dramatic as

3131
02:26:02,261 --> 02:26:00,530
portrayed in the series and that's the

3132
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:02,271
problem like they these guys want it

3133
02:26:08,050 --> 02:26:04,970
ultra dramatic but the fact is I think

3134
02:26:10,900 --> 02:26:08,060
most people now want to know is this

3135
02:26:12,580 --> 02:26:10,910
true is that true and when it isn't true

3136
02:26:16,840 --> 02:26:12,590
when they find it's not true I think it

3137
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:16,850
takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the

3138
02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:18,890
experience I might have been different

3139
02:26:23,290 --> 02:26:21,200
in the 1960s but it's this is where

3140
02:26:25,210 --> 02:26:23,300
we're at now I think people are

3141
02:26:28,511 --> 02:26:25,220
sophisticated enough with UFOs like they

3142
02:26:30,730 --> 02:26:28,521
want to know these cases are accurately

3143
02:26:32,740 --> 02:26:30,740
portrayed and generally speaking there

3144
02:26:34,690 --> 02:26:32,750
are significant liberties that are taken

3145
02:26:36,360 --> 02:26:34,700
with them yeah and that's where I want

3146
02:26:39,340 --> 02:26:36,370
to go when we come back after the break

3147
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:39,350
let's not lose sight of History

3148
02:26:45,011 --> 02:26:41,930
Channel's got a reputation it's called

3149
02:26:48,400 --> 02:26:45,021
History Channel for a reason and when

3150
02:26:51,011 --> 02:26:48,410
they start off a show about somebody's

3151
02:26:54,250 --> 02:26:51,021
personal life like a dr. J Allen Hynek

3152
02:26:58,090 --> 02:26:54,260
and they started off this is based on

3153
02:27:01,330 --> 02:26:58,100
actual Case Files this is based on fact

3154
02:27:03,880 --> 02:27:01,340
you need to be very careful about how

3155
02:27:05,770 --> 02:27:03,890
you present that because somebody that

3156
02:27:08,170 --> 02:27:05,780
doesn't know anything about UFOs like my

3157
02:27:10,570 --> 02:27:08,180
daughter's you know and they go and they

3158
02:27:13,979 --> 02:27:10,580
they watch this they're coming at me did

3159
02:27:18,300 --> 02:27:13,989
you know that this doctor was

3160
02:27:20,249 --> 02:27:18,310
no he saw ETS in a tank and a beer

3161
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:20,259
yeah he's basically fox mulder in the

3162
02:27:28,019 --> 02:27:26,319
50s yes because I mean let's face it

3163
02:27:29,309 --> 02:27:28,029
I look a little bit like the character

3164
02:27:32,369 --> 02:27:29,319
in that and I think that's kind of cool

3165
02:27:34,679 --> 02:27:32,379
so I opted I want them to let me do the

3166
02:27:37,649 --> 02:27:34,689
stunts you know so when it comes time to

3167
02:27:41,460 --> 02:27:37,659
Duke out a Russian spy put me in there

3168
02:27:43,529 --> 02:27:41,470
let me take out the Russian spy and and

3169
02:27:46,769 --> 02:27:43,539
plus you smoke a pipe so you could just

3170
02:27:48,840 --> 02:27:46,779
walk right on the set let's take a break

3171
02:27:50,429 --> 02:27:48,850
right here Richard Dolan is our guest

3172
02:27:52,380 --> 02:27:50,439
this is fade to black we're gonna

3173
02:27:53,130 --> 02:27:52,390
continue our discussion on project

3174
02:27:55,139 --> 02:27:53,140
Bluebook

3175
02:27:58,469 --> 02:27:55,149
right after this short break on the game

3176
02:28:00,420 --> 02:27:58,479
changer network and kg RA the planet of

3177
02:28:02,429 --> 02:28:00,430
course you can follow me at Jay Church

3178
02:28:05,159 --> 02:28:02,439
radio on Twitter you can follow Richard

3179
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:05,169
at rich Dolan on Twitter we'll be right

3180
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:29,791
[Music]

3181
02:28:33,610 --> 02:28:32,960
and you are listen to my boy Jimmy

3182
02:28:42,161 --> 02:28:33,620
Church

3183
02:28:53,341 --> 02:28:42,171
opinion reading a book will not make you

3184
02:28:55,930 --> 02:28:53,351
smarter hurricanes earthquakes wildfires

3185
02:28:58,511 --> 02:28:55,940
this year we've experienced more than

3186
02:29:00,430 --> 02:28:58,521
our fair share this is Jimmy Church of

3187
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[Music]

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all right welcome back pain to black

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doing a little overtime with Richard

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02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:57,790
Dolan his wife Tracy just went and made

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him a single shot of espresso to make

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02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:02,681
sure that he gets through the show

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02:33:06,660 --> 02:33:05,290
tonight and Richard I didn't ask you you

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02:33:08,730 --> 02:33:06,670
were expecting this at the top of the

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02:33:10,801 --> 02:33:08,740
show but what was the last piece of

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02:33:13,320 --> 02:33:10,811
music that you'd listen to today

3272
02:33:14,910 --> 02:33:13,330
that's funny just before I went on I was

3273
02:33:16,711 --> 02:33:14,920
asking Tracy like what the hell and I

3274
02:33:21,240 --> 02:33:16,721
listened to I didn't hear any music

3275
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:21,250
today why not but yesterday we were

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02:33:24,990 --> 02:33:24,130
driving and we heard Led Zeppelin which

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02:33:30,211 --> 02:33:25,000
which one

3278
02:33:34,950 --> 02:33:30,221
dear maker o dire maker dire maker I've

3279
02:33:38,551 --> 02:33:34,960
listened to it for like 45 years on the

3280
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:38,561
radio and that's a good song that's like

3281
02:33:40,680 --> 02:33:40,090
a really great Zeppelin song did you

3282
02:33:44,551 --> 02:33:40,690
crank it

3283
02:33:48,421 --> 02:33:44,561
I always crank the zip oh man

3284
02:33:50,820 --> 02:33:48,431
nothing I like I'm a 70s guy so like I

3285
02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:50,830
love Zeppelin but I like a disco that's

3286
02:33:56,041 --> 02:33:53,200
where you and I part ways no I love

3287
02:33:58,890 --> 02:33:56,051
disco are you kidding me oh man that's

3288
02:34:01,530 --> 02:33:58,900
that's my child just like the hair bands

3289
02:34:03,390 --> 02:34:01,540
and oh that's natural rock and the tight

3290
02:34:05,610 --> 02:34:03,400
spandex I thought that was you how that

3291
02:34:09,660 --> 02:34:05,620
would that was me later but in the 70s

3292
02:34:14,190 --> 02:34:09,670
look this is this is my childhood when I

3293
02:34:16,890 --> 02:34:14,200
was 14 15 16 years old was down in in

3294
02:34:20,940 --> 02:34:16,900
Panama at the Canal Zone and each army

3295
02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:20,950
base and including I think the DoD

3296
02:34:27,740 --> 02:34:24,240
centers too as well all had teen clubs

3297
02:34:30,421 --> 02:34:27,750
right they were called teen clubs and

3298
02:34:33,240 --> 02:34:30,431
imagine a government-sanctioned

3299
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:33,250
teen club right were they you could go

3300
02:34:39,870 --> 02:34:36,730
in and I'm sure that you know what pool

3301
02:34:44,490 --> 02:34:39,880
tables ping pong tables and and guitars

3302
02:34:46,680 --> 02:34:44,500
and ass right and and once a week once a

3303
02:34:50,430 --> 02:34:46,690
month each one of those teen clubs had a

3304
02:34:53,551 --> 02:34:50,440
dance and man it was all about the Bee

3305
02:34:55,320 --> 02:34:53,561
Gees because then Saturday Night Fever

3306
02:34:57,360 --> 02:34:55,330
was the number with that but that was it

3307
02:35:01,220 --> 02:34:57,370
it was all about disco so I I had the

3308
02:35:04,190 --> 02:35:01,230
silk shirt Barry Gibb Rock the falsetto

3309
02:35:06,801 --> 02:35:04,200
no one else could do the falsetto no

3310
02:35:08,990 --> 02:35:06,811
but he did like and with the and fine

3311
02:35:11,390 --> 02:35:09,000
set of teeth fine set of teeth that

3312
02:35:16,580 --> 02:35:11,400
Barry Gibb okay

3313
02:35:18,530 --> 02:35:16,590
back to I could talk just go all night I

3314
02:35:21,770 --> 02:35:18,540
don't know that you did the the bright

3315
02:35:23,841 --> 02:35:21,780
blue spandex I just suspect you did yeah

3316
02:35:26,780 --> 02:35:23,851
I did I did I did I did

3317
02:35:30,350 --> 02:35:26,790
capezios oh man capezios and spandex

3318
02:35:33,290 --> 02:35:30,360
what a horrible thought but anyway

3319
02:35:35,210 --> 02:35:33,300
capezios were dancing shoes but that was

3320
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:35,220
the cool thing here on the Sunset Strip

3321
02:35:42,620 --> 02:35:37,920
in the 80s I missed that memo oh man

3322
02:35:44,990 --> 02:35:42,630
I've got pictures okay so anyway are we

3323
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:45,000
getting into though a dangerous zone

3324
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:49,050
where we are presenting Project Blue

3325
02:35:53,240 --> 02:35:51,090
Book and shows like this as as

3326
02:35:56,470 --> 02:35:53,250
historical fact like this is a

3327
02:35:59,091 --> 02:35:56,480
historical I mean absolutely they're

3328
02:36:01,460 --> 02:35:59,101
these shows they're primarily

3329
02:36:03,560 --> 02:36:01,470
entertainment and people can't lose

3330
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:03,570
sight of it you know I've I've been

3331
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:05,250
pretty nice about it they look and I'll

3332
02:36:11,390 --> 02:36:08,880
just say they they called me so I didn't

3333
02:36:13,700 --> 02:36:11,400
I did a full day of interviews with the

3334
02:36:15,650 --> 02:36:13,710
Project Blue Book team I don't know if I

3335
02:36:17,421 --> 02:36:15,660
even told you this no I don't do the

3336
02:36:19,250 --> 02:36:17,431
History Channel website you'll find

3337
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:19,260
Jacques Vallee you'll find me and you'll

3338
02:36:24,261 --> 02:36:21,210
find the Hynek sons Paul and Joel Hynek

3339
02:36:27,410 --> 02:36:24,271
with sit-down interviews on the various

3340
02:36:30,860 --> 02:36:27,420
cases portrayed in the project Bluebook

3341
02:36:32,810 --> 02:36:30,870
series and they want so it's actually we

3342
02:36:35,360 --> 02:36:32,820
tried to give I did my best honestly

3343
02:36:38,301 --> 02:36:35,370
it's like what was the real truth of the

3344
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:38,311
child's witted 1948 encounter in the air

3345
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,170
with Eastern Airlines and you know they

3346
02:36:46,220 --> 02:36:42,240
had their own dramatization of it with

3347
02:36:48,860 --> 02:36:46,230
Allen Hynek on the plane but there's a

3348
02:36:52,610 --> 02:36:48,870
great story there and so what I did is I

3349
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,620
sat down with them and I talked about

3350
02:36:57,410 --> 02:36:54,800
those cases as best I could and those

3351
02:36:59,440 --> 02:36:57,420
snippets I guess I should say are on the

3352
02:37:02,270 --> 02:36:59,450
History Channel website so to that

3353
02:37:04,190 --> 02:37:02,280
limited extent I I have a connection to

3354
02:37:06,290 --> 02:37:04,200
that project although obviously had

3355
02:37:09,860 --> 02:37:06,300
nothing to do with any of the the script

3356
02:37:12,470 --> 02:37:09,870
or anything to do with that but you know

3357
02:37:13,671 --> 02:37:12,480
I understand I mean I on the one hand I

3358
02:37:17,251 --> 02:37:13,681
understand where these guys are coming

3359
02:37:20,551 --> 02:37:17,261
from but it's it's definitely misguided

3360
02:37:22,770 --> 02:37:20,561
- at this point in the game with all

3361
02:37:26,791 --> 02:37:22,780
that's out there on the UFO phenomenon

3362
02:37:29,551 --> 02:37:26,801
to change the nature of the history that

3363
02:37:32,610 --> 02:37:29,561
much to change allen hynek's career or

3364
02:37:34,381 --> 02:37:32,620
his wife for that matter me me right to

3365
02:37:36,091 --> 02:37:34,391
bring in the Russian spies the way that

3366
02:37:37,770 --> 02:37:36,101
they've done yeah it's not that there

3367
02:37:41,671 --> 02:37:37,780
wasn't Russian espionage yeah there was

3368
02:37:44,490 --> 02:37:41,681
Russian espionage yes but not like no

3369
02:37:48,360 --> 02:37:44,500
not with Hynek in this manner no clearly

3370
02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:48,370
not one of the the Bluebook character

3371
02:37:53,070 --> 02:37:50,290
that they pair Hynek went with in the

3372
02:37:54,661 --> 02:37:53,080
series is kind of a little bit modeled

3373
02:37:57,270 --> 02:37:54,671
on a true pelt but i think much more

3374
02:37:59,161 --> 02:37:57,280
modeled on a later blue book had named

3375
02:38:00,780 --> 02:37:59,171
Lauren stacker and if you look into the

3376
02:38:04,201 --> 02:38:00,790
history of his attacker ran blue book in

3377
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:04,211
around 1960 and was a hardcore D bunker

3378
02:38:10,980 --> 02:38:07,330
I mean almost like a cartoonish debunker

3379
02:38:13,711 --> 02:38:10,990
of UFOs so they they kind of mix and

3380
02:38:17,461 --> 02:38:13,721
match different people historically and

3381
02:38:19,171 --> 02:38:17,471
I get that but the the changes that they

3382
02:38:20,911 --> 02:38:19,181
made to the cases are really quite

3383
02:38:23,551 --> 02:38:20,921
obvious to people who study the

3384
02:38:27,060 --> 02:38:23,561
phenomenon and I guess I just it's

3385
02:38:29,581 --> 02:38:27,070
unfortunate the the other aspects of it

3386
02:38:32,820 --> 02:38:29,591
I would have thought if they would have

3387
02:38:35,701 --> 02:38:32,830
just stayed tried-and-true you know

3388
02:38:37,860 --> 02:38:35,711
because he his life was as fascinating

3389
02:38:40,951 --> 02:38:37,870
as it could be if they just stuck with

3390
02:38:44,490 --> 02:38:40,961
what really went on then I think that's

3391
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:44,500
just as fast and there's no reason to

3392
02:38:49,860 --> 02:38:46,570
fictionalize all of these events you

3393
02:38:52,110 --> 02:38:49,870
know like you'd have to drop most of the

3394
02:38:55,020 --> 02:38:52,120
cases that they cover so there's that

3395
02:38:56,850 --> 02:38:55,030
there's that I mean you know Hynek

3396
02:38:58,591 --> 02:38:56,860
wasn't really involved in most of those

3397
02:39:00,421 --> 02:38:58,601
investigations some of them he was but

3398
02:39:02,581 --> 02:39:00,431
most not really or at least tangentially

3399
02:39:05,341 --> 02:39:02,591
he was now you could have done a series

3400
02:39:07,501 --> 02:39:05,351
on Edward ruppelt that's an interesting

3401
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:07,511
one but again that's a different kind of

3402
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:09,370
a sort the story you could do a series

3403
02:39:12,780 --> 02:39:11,530
on the history of Project Blue Book and

3404
02:39:14,610 --> 02:39:12,790
you'd have different characters and

3405
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:14,620
that's a different kind of a story like

3406
02:39:18,091 --> 02:39:16,000
the way that they like to do this is

3407
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:18,101
that you create a hero

3408
02:39:23,400 --> 02:39:21,040
so they created Hynek as the hero in

3409
02:39:25,291 --> 02:39:23,410
this case and so by doing that you

3410
02:39:27,720 --> 02:39:25,301
create a structure you then have to

3411
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:27,730
change you got to change a lot of the

3412
02:39:31,260 --> 02:39:28,720
historical things

3413
02:39:32,969 --> 02:39:31,270
that's that's where it falls you know

3414
02:39:35,460 --> 02:39:32,979
that's where it's very easy

3415
02:39:36,750 --> 02:39:35,470
I mean criticizing the the failings of

3416
02:39:39,719 --> 02:39:36,760
that shows like shooting fish in a

3417
02:39:43,500 --> 02:39:39,729
barrel and everyone's happy to do it

3418
02:39:45,719 --> 02:39:43,510
for me I just feel like if I go

3419
02:39:48,780 --> 02:39:45,729
I mean Tracy and I watched it we we were

3420
02:39:52,740 --> 02:39:48,790
sent screeners of it so we were able to

3421
02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:52,750
see most of the shows and again it's if

3422
02:39:57,450 --> 02:39:54,130
you look at it as fiction or

3423
02:39:59,070 --> 02:39:57,460
dramatization and you just let it go you

3424
02:40:02,280 --> 02:39:59,080
could say all right fine it's fun it's

3425
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:02,290
like the x-files in the 1950s but the

3426
02:40:09,380 --> 02:40:06,880
truth really requires you know

3427
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:09,390
additional digging like they the show's

3428
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:12,130
change so much but what about the bigger

3429
02:40:19,080 --> 02:40:16,810
picture here and the release of Project

3430
02:40:24,809 --> 02:40:19,090
Blue Book all of the action that we had

3431
02:40:28,530 --> 02:40:24,819
last year with a tip and the New York

3432
02:40:30,900 --> 02:40:28,540
Times all of these revelations going

3433
02:40:33,389 --> 02:40:30,910
through the mainstream media on the UFO

3434
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:33,399
subject and of course the other UFO

3435
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:35,770
programming that is all over television

3436
02:40:43,320 --> 02:40:39,810
right now is this part of a bigger

3437
02:40:46,679 --> 02:40:43,330
agenda where all of this is being pushed

3438
02:40:48,780 --> 02:40:46,689
onto the world stage I think what we're

3439
02:40:51,300 --> 02:40:48,790
seeing is a combination of forces at

3440
02:40:53,519 --> 02:40:51,310
work so it's not just one thing it's not

3441
02:40:55,889 --> 02:40:53,529
just like oh well the the deep state is

3442
02:40:58,170 --> 02:40:55,899
now deciding to to leak out a little bit

3443
02:41:00,389 --> 02:40:58,180
of controlled disclosure no that's so

3444
02:41:04,190 --> 02:41:00,399
simplistic so what's happening is you've

3445
02:41:07,950 --> 02:41:04,200
got forces at work you have an elite

3446
02:41:09,950 --> 02:41:07,960
control group that's existed for a long

3447
02:41:13,050 --> 02:41:09,960
long long time a whole human lifetime

3448
02:41:15,809 --> 02:41:13,060
but the problem is we're in a society

3449
02:41:18,120 --> 02:41:15,819
that has gone through dramatic changes

3450
02:41:20,760 --> 02:41:18,130
over the past several generations and

3451
02:41:23,820 --> 02:41:20,770
that is an undeniable fact we have the

3452
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:23,830
web the web didn't exist more than 20 25

3453
02:41:29,160 --> 02:41:26,560
years ago it exists now and not only the

3454
02:41:32,190 --> 02:41:29,170
web but we're in web version 2.0 which

3455
02:41:34,559 --> 02:41:32,200
is social media and so and we're going

3456
02:41:35,880 --> 02:41:34,569
to be moving to 3.0 which will be 5g

3457
02:41:38,130 --> 02:41:35,890
total surveillance Internet of Things

3458
02:41:41,780 --> 02:41:38,140
but right now the version of the web

3459
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:41,790
that we have is advanced enough where

3460
02:41:46,010 --> 02:41:43,290
people are talking to each other and

3461
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:46,020
guess what the reality of the UFO

3462
02:41:52,490 --> 02:41:48,479
phenomenon from the beginning of the

3463
02:41:56,480 --> 02:41:52,500
internet in the 1980s UFOs were the

3464
02:41:59,950 --> 02:41:56,490
first significant non techie subject

3465
02:42:03,050 --> 02:41:59,960
that helped open up the Internet why

3466
02:42:05,360 --> 02:42:03,060
guess why because it's a real phenomenon

3467
02:42:07,250 --> 02:42:05,370
and people experience it worldwide and

3468
02:42:11,179 --> 02:42:07,260
they want to know about it and so what's

3469
02:42:13,880 --> 02:42:11,189
happening is that as our ability to talk

3470
02:42:17,780 --> 02:42:13,890
about this subject continues to grow and

3471
02:42:20,300 --> 02:42:17,790
evolve that is pushing this subject into

3472
02:42:22,639 --> 02:42:20,310
the forefront and so what you're seeing

3473
02:42:25,490 --> 02:42:22,649
is a situation where the powers that be

3474
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:25,500
if we want to call them that have to

3475
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:27,359
react in one way or another and they

3476
02:42:31,219 --> 02:42:29,130
react in various ways so they control

3477
02:42:32,809 --> 02:42:31,229
the media so they'll take the corporate

3478
02:42:35,540 --> 02:42:32,819
media and they'll control they'll put

3479
02:42:36,710 --> 02:42:35,550
out their spin of the UFO phenomenon and

3480
02:42:39,019 --> 02:42:36,720
they've been doing that for years

3481
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:39,029
alright you notice with all of the

3482
02:42:42,650 --> 02:42:40,770
versions of the UFO phenomenon until the

3483
02:42:45,230 --> 02:42:42,660
x-files really there were like no

3484
02:42:47,510 --> 02:42:45,240
portrayals of grey aliens they were just

3485
02:42:48,860 --> 02:42:47,520
you know and even now with the movies

3486
02:42:51,139 --> 02:42:48,870
like none of the Hollywood movies

3487
02:42:54,190 --> 02:42:51,149
portray grey aliens they're all like

3488
02:42:56,660 --> 02:42:54,200
these wacko scient fantasy type

3489
02:42:59,870 --> 02:42:56,670
creatures that no one's ever seen right

3490
02:43:01,940 --> 02:42:59,880
but so there's a definite manipulation

3491
02:43:04,190 --> 02:43:01,950
going on but the fact is it's it's

3492
02:43:06,590 --> 02:43:04,200
simply a back and forth pushing that

3493
02:43:08,960 --> 02:43:06,600
we're seeing it's the public that's

3494
02:43:11,330 --> 02:43:08,970
pushing this forward and the

3495
02:43:14,090 --> 02:43:11,340
establishment is reacting and they are

3496
02:43:16,849 --> 02:43:14,100
reacting by seeking to control for as

3497
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:16,859
long as possible like if they can

3498
02:43:21,019 --> 02:43:19,170
control this for a hundred more years

3499
02:43:23,179 --> 02:43:21,029
they will control it for a hundred more

3500
02:43:24,920 --> 02:43:23,189
years you mark my words if it takes if

3501
02:43:26,990 --> 02:43:24,930
all they have is five years and they'll

3502
02:43:28,370 --> 02:43:27,000
take the five the point is they're

3503
02:43:31,900 --> 02:43:28,380
trying to delay this as long as possible

3504
02:43:34,700 --> 02:43:31,910
because the ramifications of a true

3505
02:43:36,620 --> 02:43:34,710
disclosure of the genuine UFO phenomenon

3506
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:36,630
is way too revolutionary it's way too

3507
02:43:42,170 --> 02:43:39,210
dramatic but the fact is they can't stop

3508
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:42,180
it that's the whole thing like because

3509
02:43:46,010 --> 02:43:44,370
there's too many moving parts there are

3510
02:43:47,540 --> 02:43:46,020
too many different opinions there are

3511
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:47,550
too many people with different amounts

3512
02:43:53,210 --> 02:43:50,000
of knowledge on this so it's happening

3513
02:43:55,730 --> 02:43:53,220
but you know and saying everyone's got

3514
02:43:55,940 --> 02:43:55,740
their own motivations for putting their

3515
02:43:58,520 --> 02:43:55,950
in

3516
02:44:01,730 --> 02:43:58,530
formation out there of course but it is

3517
02:44:03,381 --> 02:44:01,740
happening nevertheless it's messy and it

3518
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:03,391
could take a long time and it might not

3519
02:44:09,921 --> 02:44:06,000
happen until after I'm dead but it will

3520
02:44:11,870 --> 02:44:09,931
happen it will happen and when it will

3521
02:44:13,881 --> 02:44:11,880
happen how it will happen is all up for

3522
02:44:18,230 --> 02:44:13,891
grabs right now but it will happen one

3523
02:44:21,171 --> 02:44:18,240
of the fascinating parts of my research

3524
02:44:23,870 --> 02:44:21,181
as I've plugged along through this has

3525
02:44:28,580 --> 02:44:23,880
been outside of our community completely

3526
02:44:33,320 --> 02:44:28,590
outside I've reached out and and found a

3527
02:44:36,470 --> 02:44:33,330
hole not much larger than the UFO

3528
02:44:39,860 --> 02:44:36,480
community much much or way bigger and

3529
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:39,870
I'm talking about the the researchers

3530
02:44:46,580 --> 02:44:43,050
that go into science fiction into the

3531
02:44:50,320 --> 02:44:46,590
gaming community and and the money that

3532
02:44:54,381 --> 02:44:50,330
is involved there and the amount of

3533
02:44:56,360 --> 02:44:54,391
gamers and science fiction readers out

3534
02:45:00,110 --> 02:44:56,370
there like you know think about the size

3535
02:45:02,060 --> 02:45:00,120
of comic-con versus the size of contact

3536
02:45:06,131 --> 02:45:02,070
in the desert it's to two different

3537
02:45:11,210 --> 02:45:06,141
things and and it is so large but those

3538
02:45:14,360 --> 02:45:11,220
the for each game that is involved video

3539
02:45:17,180 --> 02:45:14,370
game with et and civilizations and

3540
02:45:19,400 --> 02:45:17,190
taking over planets and they their

3541
02:45:22,631 --> 02:45:19,410
scientific research going into this how

3542
02:45:26,780 --> 02:45:22,641
interstellar travel happens Trading

3543
02:45:29,900 --> 02:45:26,790
interstellar warfare colonization all of

3544
02:45:33,020 --> 02:45:29,910
this is unbelievable

3545
02:45:35,210 --> 02:45:33,030
how much research goes into this outside

3546
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:35,220
of our community and you go into this

3547
02:45:38,660 --> 02:45:36,570
and you start looking well I'm talking

3548
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:38,670
about scientists and physicists that are

3549
02:45:46,520 --> 02:45:42,090
involved that are on the payrolls to get

3550
02:45:47,960 --> 02:45:46,530
the the ideas of how a civilization is

3551
02:45:49,790 --> 02:45:47,970
supported how do they feed themselves

3552
02:45:51,530 --> 02:45:49,800
how do they travel out of this out of

3553
02:45:54,650 --> 02:45:51,540
the occupy plan the weapons that they

3554
02:45:57,350 --> 02:45:54,660
would use the ideas behind an invasion

3555
02:46:03,200 --> 02:45:57,360
or not or an occupation or not you're

3556
02:46:05,240 --> 02:46:03,210
getting me intrigued yes it is and you

3557
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:05,250
get outside of our community and then

3558
02:46:09,160 --> 02:46:07,050
you start to realize it's not just us

3559
02:46:12,729 --> 02:46:09,170
Richard it's not

3560
02:46:14,679 --> 02:46:12,739
the entire planet is is fascinated with

3561
02:46:17,950 --> 02:46:14,689
this you should go check out and have a

3562
02:46:23,260 --> 02:46:17,960
Tracy write this down go check out Isaac

3563
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:23,270
Arthur is a AC Arthur and go and start

3564
02:46:28,570 --> 02:46:26,090
listening to his videos and his uh his

3565
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:28,580
YouTube channel and he is somebody that

3566
02:46:35,639 --> 02:46:31,520
not only works in the science fiction

3567
02:46:38,530 --> 02:46:35,649
and the gaming community Paddy's also

3568
02:46:40,179 --> 02:46:38,540
graduated with a physics degree so he's

3569
02:46:42,969 --> 02:46:40,189
write his name down the thing is the the

3570
02:46:45,460 --> 02:46:42,979
UFO phenomenon has been transforming our

3571
02:46:46,870 --> 02:46:45,470
culture like like this what you're

3572
02:46:49,269 --> 02:46:46,880
describing wouldn't have been possible

3573
02:46:50,860 --> 02:46:49,279
if there was no UFO phenomenon I firmly

3574
02:46:54,849 --> 02:46:50,870
believe this I think what's happened is

3575
02:46:56,950 --> 02:46:54,859
that the arrival of a widespread UFO

3576
02:46:58,479 --> 02:46:56,960
phenomenon in our culture starting

3577
02:47:00,189 --> 02:46:58,489
really in the 1940s although the

3578
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:00,199
phenomenons earlier than that but we

3579
02:47:06,130 --> 02:47:02,810
became aware of it as a culture openly

3580
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:06,140
in the 40s has transformed our culture

3581
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:10,250
in really important ways so and this

3582
02:47:15,250 --> 02:47:13,040
what you're describing is one aspect of

3583
02:47:18,639 --> 02:47:15,260
it and this is why I'm saying when we're

3584
02:47:21,700 --> 02:47:18,649
talking about you know shows like the

3585
02:47:23,769 --> 02:47:21,710
Bluebook show they are in a sense

3586
02:47:25,389 --> 02:47:23,779
they're they're a lot of things going in

3587
02:47:28,990 --> 02:47:25,399
there so on the one hand it's a pure

3588
02:47:30,760 --> 02:47:29,000
money-making venture corporate people

3589
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:30,770
who have a little bit of interest in

3590
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:33,439
UFOs want to make a show that and make

3591
02:47:38,349 --> 02:47:36,080
some money off of it there's also let's

3592
02:47:41,500 --> 02:47:38,359
never forget there's a lot of control

3593
02:47:44,139 --> 02:47:41,510
going on in these networks they are at

3594
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:44,149
the highest levels they are connected

3595
02:47:47,740 --> 02:47:45,770
and in bed with the intelligence

3596
02:47:52,300 --> 02:47:47,750
community they are and you know just to

3597
02:47:53,530 --> 02:47:52,310
remember the name chase Brandon CIA's in

3598
02:47:56,019 --> 02:47:53,540
Hollywood that's right

3599
02:48:00,490 --> 02:47:56,029
alright so so this is a real thing and

3600
02:48:02,469 --> 02:48:00,500
his job was to consult with Hollywood

3601
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:02,479
productions and make sure that they just

3602
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:04,250
said the right things about the CIA and

3603
02:48:07,780 --> 02:48:05,600
about other things that were important

3604
02:48:12,010 --> 02:48:07,790
and that's how it was and that's how it

3605
02:48:13,899 --> 02:48:12,020
is and so there's definitely a control

3606
02:48:16,269 --> 02:48:13,909
element going on and that has to do with

3607
02:48:18,370 --> 02:48:16,279
our entire media you know we started off

3608
02:48:21,230 --> 02:48:18,380
this conversation an hour and a half ago

3609
02:48:24,410 --> 02:48:21,240
where we talked about news media

3610
02:48:26,330 --> 02:48:24,420
and and how controlled is there was an

3611
02:48:30,110 --> 02:48:26,340
operation Mockingbird that went for

3612
02:48:32,060 --> 02:48:30,120
years and it's exists more deep and

3613
02:48:33,980 --> 02:48:32,070
profound than ever before but that was a

3614
02:48:36,530 --> 02:48:33,990
CIA manipulation of American mainstream

3615
02:48:40,760 --> 02:48:36,540
media and it's a matter of historical

3616
02:48:43,250 --> 02:48:40,770
fact and the control over media by our

3617
02:48:46,010 --> 02:48:43,260
intelligence community and our financial

3618
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:46,020
and military community is greater now

3619
02:48:51,650 --> 02:48:49,680
than it was even 50 years ago so so

3620
02:48:54,620 --> 02:48:51,660
right all of this has to be looked at

3621
02:48:57,800 --> 02:48:54,630
with a jaded eye by ordinary citizens

3622
02:49:00,410 --> 02:48:57,810
all of it but let's just not disempower

3623
02:49:02,480 --> 02:49:00,420
ourselves in the process the fact is

3624
02:49:03,980 --> 02:49:02,490
that these little disclosures are

3625
02:49:05,900 --> 02:49:03,990
happening because they're being forced

3626
02:49:08,930 --> 02:49:05,910
out because this isn't the world of the

3627
02:49:11,450 --> 02:49:08,940
1980s anymore like what what's happening

3628
02:49:14,510 --> 02:49:11,460
was with revelations by people like how

3629
02:49:16,910 --> 02:49:14,520
cut off is that it's possible now it

3630
02:49:18,950 --> 02:49:16,920
would never been possible 30 years ago

3631
02:49:23,090 --> 02:49:18,960
it's possible now because there's been

3632
02:49:25,040 --> 02:49:23,100
too much pushing up from below to allow

3633
02:49:28,250 --> 02:49:25,050
for certain things now to be released

3634
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:28,260
that's how it's working it's a it's a

3635
02:49:35,480 --> 02:49:31,680
multi there's multiple forces at work

3636
02:49:38,360 --> 02:49:35,490
here and one of those forces is the

3637
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:38,370
genuine interests of the people you

3638
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:41,760
bring a project Mockingbird and when the

3639
02:49:46,850 --> 02:49:43,770
difficulty of Mockingbird back in the

3640
02:49:48,920 --> 02:49:46,860
day where you had printed media and you

3641
02:49:52,400 --> 02:49:48,930
had three channels right and so you had

3642
02:49:54,980 --> 02:49:52,410
to get a physical body on the payroll at

3643
02:49:58,160 --> 02:49:54,990
a newspaper in Wichita or whatever and

3644
02:50:00,050 --> 02:49:58,170
they had hundreds of them across the

3645
02:50:02,420 --> 02:50:00,060
United States on the payroll

3646
02:50:04,610 --> 02:50:02,430
that's fact that's historical you

3647
02:50:06,440 --> 02:50:04,620
control the wire services a wireless

3648
02:50:07,969 --> 02:50:06,450
course of the Internet of the day would

3649
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:07,979
disseminate the news he control the wire

3650
02:50:11,630 --> 02:50:09,930
servers you control the majors certainly

3651
02:50:13,730 --> 02:50:11,640
New York Times was always under control

3652
02:50:18,410 --> 02:50:13,740
that way Washington Post and the others

3653
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:18,420
yeah and so today how how much easier is

3654
02:50:24,380 --> 02:50:21,600
it for the CIA to have a project

3655
02:50:25,940 --> 02:50:24,390
Mockingbird when all you have to do you

3656
02:50:27,620 --> 02:50:25,950
don't have to have a physical all you

3657
02:50:29,060 --> 02:50:27,630
have to do is create a website all

3658
02:50:30,830 --> 02:50:29,070
you've got to do is create a Twitter

3659
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:30,840
account all you have to do all you have

3660
02:50:34,450 --> 02:50:32,850
to do create a YouTube channel start

3661
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:34,460
putting some content out there

3662
02:50:38,170 --> 02:50:35,840
and you can do it all from one

3663
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:38,180
centralized office right and Langley

3664
02:50:42,400 --> 02:50:40,880
where you don't have physical bodies on

3665
02:50:44,410 --> 02:50:42,410
a payroll across the United States

3666
02:50:46,180 --> 02:50:44,420
called sock puppets that's it's a real

3667
02:50:47,980 --> 02:50:46,190
thing and it's a real thing departments

3668
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:47,990
been they create sock but fake fake

3669
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:50,810
personas we're actually we're apparently

3670
02:50:55,060 --> 02:50:52,250
we may be seeing that in our own field

3671
02:50:57,969 --> 02:50:55,070
but we'll get to that another time but

3672
02:50:59,140 --> 02:50:57,979
but but this is something that the

3673
02:51:01,360 --> 02:50:59,150
intelligence community has been very

3674
02:51:02,469 --> 02:51:01,370
very sophisticated with and by the way

3675
02:51:04,120 --> 02:51:02,479
everyone likes to talk about the Russian

3676
02:51:06,219 --> 02:51:04,130
BOTS and I'm sure there are Russian BOTS

3677
02:51:08,200 --> 02:51:06,229
but man they got nothing on the u.s.

3678
02:51:10,840 --> 02:51:08,210
BOTS sense for sure but the point is

3679
02:51:12,910 --> 02:51:10,850
Mockingbird is an easier program program

3680
02:51:16,090 --> 02:51:12,920
to implement now than ever before you're

3681
02:51:18,040 --> 02:51:16,100
exactly right a media consolidation I

3682
02:51:20,380 --> 02:51:18,050
mean back in the 50s they were like what

3683
02:51:23,050 --> 02:51:20,390
up 50 or 100 of the leading media

3684
02:51:25,090 --> 02:51:23,060
organizations controlled 80 90 percent

3685
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:25,100
of all media now that number six right

3686
02:51:31,780 --> 02:51:28,640
so if you have relationships with those

3687
02:51:34,120 --> 02:51:31,790
top media organizations which are all

3688
02:51:37,210 --> 02:51:34,130
segmented into their various markets and

3689
02:51:38,860 --> 02:51:37,220
so forth well you you know you got it

3690
02:51:42,040 --> 02:51:38,870
made and that's exactly the way it is

3691
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:42,050
there is a deceased German journalist

3692
02:51:47,080 --> 02:51:45,680
named dr. Judith Cota who just died a

3693
02:51:50,560 --> 02:51:47,090
year and a half ago I think and he

3694
02:51:53,380 --> 02:51:50,570
talked openly about how in in European

3695
02:51:55,360 --> 02:51:53,390
journalism the CIA controlled everything

3696
02:51:57,940 --> 02:51:55,370
they would write the articles and then

3697
02:52:02,140 --> 02:51:57,950
give the byline to a particular

3698
02:52:03,490 --> 02:52:02,150
journalist but he you know he's on

3699
02:52:05,500 --> 02:52:03,500
YouTube you can find a lot of the

3700
02:52:06,820 --> 02:52:05,510
statements there's a lot of American

3701
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:06,830
journalists who talked about it amber

3702
02:52:11,770 --> 02:52:08,690
Lyon and formerly of CNN talked about

3703
02:52:14,620 --> 02:52:11,780
how literally CNN created fake news back

3704
02:52:16,360 --> 02:52:14,630
during the Arab Spring of 2011 and

3705
02:52:18,370 --> 02:52:16,370
there's lots of other brave people

3706
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:18,380
who've talked very very explicitly about

3707
02:52:23,500 --> 02:52:21,920
the manipulation of Western media by US

3708
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:23,510
corporate and intelligence community

3709
02:52:30,340 --> 02:52:26,570
interests and and so back circling back

3710
02:52:33,190 --> 02:52:30,350
to the UFO phenomenon of course we have

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to expect the exact same thing the UFO

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02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:36,190
in fact very much so because UFOs are

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02:52:40,690 --> 02:52:38,720
important they have been of national

3714
02:52:43,630 --> 02:52:40,700
security important since the beginning

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02:52:47,410 --> 02:52:43,640
and so the need to control it is

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02:52:48,290 --> 02:52:47,420
paramount but the problem is and again

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02:52:51,740 --> 02:52:48,300
people need on

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02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:51,750
and the secret keepers don't have all of

3719
02:52:55,490 --> 02:52:53,850
the power they have a lot of the power

3720
02:52:57,950 --> 02:52:55,500
and they have the power to manipulate

3721
02:53:00,250 --> 02:52:57,960
they have the power to psych us out with

3722
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:00,260
all kinds of head fakes yes they do it

3723
02:53:05,420 --> 02:53:03,930
but the fact is if it had not been for

3724
02:53:08,059 --> 02:53:05,430
the web it had not been for the internet

3725
02:53:09,740 --> 02:53:08,069
and social media we would be in a very

3726
02:53:12,860 --> 02:53:09,750
different place a much worse place

3727
02:53:15,530 --> 02:53:12,870
because of any kind of hopeful

3728
02:53:18,020 --> 02:53:15,540
disclosure now and what do we see we see

3729
02:53:21,950 --> 02:53:18,030
the elite groups of the world trying to

3730
02:53:24,219 --> 02:53:21,960
regain control over the web through deep

3731
02:53:27,170 --> 02:53:24,229
platforming public shaming and

3732
02:53:28,700 --> 02:53:27,180
surveillance and you know all of those

3733
02:53:32,599 --> 02:53:28,710
evil things that they're trying to do so

3734
02:53:35,389 --> 02:53:32,609
they understand full well that it is if

3735
02:53:38,690 --> 02:53:35,399
it is possible to delay genuine

3736
02:53:40,460 --> 02:53:38,700
disclosure they'll do it forever and I

3737
02:53:42,650 --> 02:53:40,470
don't think it will be forever but it

3738
02:53:43,070 --> 02:53:42,660
could be for a while it may not be for a

3739
02:53:46,130 --> 02:53:43,080
while

3740
02:53:48,170 --> 02:53:46,140
but that's the dynamic thank you so much

3741
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:48,180
you're just giving us a drip drip it's

3742
02:53:54,200 --> 02:53:50,399
are they being forced to do it

3743
02:53:56,719 --> 02:53:54,210
by public pressure from below thank you

3744
02:53:59,450 --> 02:53:56,729
so much Richard if what a great

3745
02:54:02,660 --> 02:53:59,460
conversation tonight and when's the new

3746
02:54:06,380 --> 02:54:02,670
book coming out come on I have no idea

3747
02:54:09,170 --> 02:54:06,390
man I work every day and there's never

3748
02:54:12,559 --> 02:54:09,180
enough hours in any day and is it gonna

3749
02:54:14,150 --> 02:54:12,569
come out and every day I think back and

3750
02:54:16,460 --> 02:54:14,160
I'm like what did I do to did I

3751
02:54:17,900 --> 02:54:16,470
accomplish anything and then I realized

3752
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:17,910
oh yeah I did I did this and this and

3753
02:54:21,740 --> 02:54:19,680
this and this but I didn't I didn't do

3754
02:54:25,969 --> 02:54:21,750
like 12 other things that I wanted to do

3755
02:54:27,889 --> 02:54:25,979
so 20 20 we can look forward to 2020 and

3756
02:54:29,750 --> 02:54:27,899
look forward to things in 2019 I've got

3757
02:54:31,910 --> 02:54:29,760
I've got writing projects in the works I

3758
02:54:35,059 --> 02:54:31,920
would like that false flag book to be

3759
02:54:39,110 --> 02:54:35,069
done in 2019 it's possible thank you so

3760
02:54:42,290 --> 02:54:39,120
much we'll talk soon Richard and lots

3761
02:54:45,320 --> 02:54:42,300
more to discuss everybody just you just

3762
02:54:47,059 --> 02:54:45,330
be patient and Richard and I are making

3763
02:54:49,730 --> 02:54:47,069
that commitment to you right now like we

3764
02:54:52,010 --> 02:54:49,740
did earlier in this show when when we're

3765
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:52,020
ready we'll talk and Richard

3766
02:54:56,300 --> 02:54:54,060
behave now go get some sleep thank you

3767
02:54:57,770 --> 02:54:56,310
so much give my best to Tracy you will

3768
02:55:00,710 --> 02:54:57,780
do thanks Jimmy thank you so much

3769
02:55:01,551 --> 02:55:00,720
Richard bleepin Dolan follow Richard

3770
02:55:06,110 --> 02:55:01,561
right now

3771
02:55:08,270 --> 02:55:06,120
on twitter at rich dolan that's what you

3772
02:55:11,060 --> 02:55:08,280
want to do he's got his radio show the

3773
02:55:14,541 --> 02:55:11,070
Richard Dolan show on K GRA the planet

3774
02:55:15,140 --> 02:55:14,551
and he if you go and follow his Twitter

3775
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:15,150
account

3776
02:55:21,741 --> 02:55:19,530
he is broadcasting live on YouTube and

3777
02:55:24,951 --> 02:55:21,751
doing live stream seems like every day

3778
02:55:26,480 --> 02:55:24,961
he's got a lot to say so go and do that

3779
02:55:29,541 --> 02:55:26,490
now and the easiest way to find out when

3780
02:55:33,381 --> 02:55:29,551
he's doing all of that stuff is on his

3781
02:55:34,820 --> 02:55:33,391
Twitter feed at rich Dolan okay now a

3782
02:55:37,841 --> 02:55:34,830
couple of things really quick

3783
02:55:41,570 --> 02:55:37,851
programming notes tomorrow night is

3784
02:55:43,610 --> 02:55:41,580
David Icke that's going to be pretty out

3785
02:55:47,121 --> 02:55:43,620
of control it always is and then on

3786
02:55:50,211 --> 02:55:47,131
Wednesday night for the first time here

3787
02:55:53,331 --> 02:55:50,221
on fade to black it is the cue army

3788
02:55:55,220 --> 02:55:53,341
we've got in the matrix and shady groove

3789
02:55:57,591 --> 02:55:55,230
here I know you've got questions I've

3790
02:56:01,451 --> 02:55:57,601
got questions we're gonna do all of that

3791
02:56:05,180 --> 02:56:01,461
on Wednesday night Thursday is our

3792
02:56:09,411 --> 02:56:05,190
1,000th show 1000 we got here I don't

3793
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:09,421
know how we did but we made it 1000 1000

3794
02:56:15,011 --> 02:56:12,570
shows and it falls on a fader night on

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02:56:19,131 --> 02:56:15,021
Thursday night and then we head down to

3796
02:56:21,411 --> 02:56:19,141
context to the conscious life Expo with

3797
02:56:23,331 --> 02:56:21,421
the LAX Hilton we'll see everybody down

3798
02:56:26,690 --> 02:56:23,341
there for that and until then I'll see

3799
02:56:29,421 --> 02:56:26,700
everybody here tomorrow night with mr.

3800
02:56:30,650 --> 02:56:29,431
David Icke this is fade to black I am

3801
02:56:33,890 --> 02:56:30,660
your host Jimmy Church great

3802
02:56:36,591 --> 02:56:33,900
conversation tonight with Richard again

3803
02:56:39,081 --> 02:56:36,601
follow Richard on Twitter at rich Dolan

3804
02:56:40,881 --> 02:56:39,091
fade to black succes cuter producer is

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02:56:43,251 --> 02:56:40,891
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02:56:45,230 --> 02:56:43,261
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02:56:48,020 --> 02:56:45,240
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02:56:54,741 --> 02:56:51,450
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02:56:59,650 --> 02:56:54,751
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02:57:05,331 --> 02:57:03,711
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02:57:07,011 --> 02:57:05,341
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02:57:08,370 --> 02:57:07,021
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3814
02:57:09,560 --> 02:57:08,380
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02:57:11,940 --> 02:57:09,570
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02:57:13,590 --> 02:57:11,950
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02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:13,600
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3818
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:15,760
arrows Jimmy Church until tomorrow night

3819
02:57:29,500 --> 02:57:17,920
David Icke right here on fade to black I